This thing about being mentally unstable, I don't buy, years ago we had people with mental problems and less medication for the problems and we NEVER had things like this happening. People are just losing it because of the economy and just the world itself today. And yet the government doesn't get it. Money is a big issue causing people to lose it, and people not finding jobs. This kind of thing is going to just keep getting worse until the president does something to get this country back on track. I only see it going downhill everyday.
My heart and soul goes out the the families of the victims and the children that survived because this will haunt them for the rest of the lives. May god be with you all and help you all get through this horrific time.

What a pathetic fool.

Well, according to Keri R., it's the economy stupid!!!

It's not the economy that's stupid. It's people like Keri making stupid remarks.

You're right Bob, it's a sad day with no room for politics.

This Sunday, a bunch of people with guns (in plain sight) will be in downtown kent to talk about how we should all go out and buy more guns. Here's what Bill Lillich, the safety director said in a press release:

"Northeast Ohio Carry" will have a group of people (about 20) downtown on Sunday the 16th from noon to 1400. Most of them will be carrying firearms openly and they will be passing out literature about gun laws. Brett Pucillo is the contact person, "

"Again, we have no reason to fear these individuals who have voluntarily notified the police about their intentions. We are simply providing this information in order to avoid unnecessarily alarm."

Great, I feel so safe when I hear that I should have nothing to fear!

I'm staying away from downtown kent on Sunday! I have Christmas shopping to do, I guess I'll go somewhere else...

Do you want to change all this with 40% of all the 300 million guns in American are not registered or have background checks. To change all this and make the politicians listen you will have to have mass shootings in Washington where many of our politians are gunned down. Then and only then will they work to correct this and finally do the work of the people of this country and not the work of everyone paying them money in their compaigns to get re-elected. Put aside all the hate and everyone come together and show support for the families and say prayers that this never happens again

No one stopped Keri from speaking. We just pointed out the obvious flaws of her speech which is our right. The nutcase that slaughtered those children cannot be blamed by any reasonable thinking on the economy and I'm free to say that as well.

You certainly are.

People blame the president for everything. He really is just one man, an extraordinarily powerful man, but still one man. The real issues here are gun control and people's inability to control themselves. America has this fetish for guns and it isn't helping . You know other countries make fun of us. Canada has like less than 100 gun deaths per year. America has like 50,000+ gun deaths a year. I also notice how the cops on tv are trying to demonstrate a "show of force." The truth is, cops are the clean up crew. They rarely stop a crime while it's happening. If you think the cops are going to save you, you need a reality check. They didn't save any of those children that's for sure. I believe due to media and subliminal messaging some people are cracking under pressure. It seems like long ago, but we were all once kids. Even back then some kids were more messed up than others. Human are a destructive breed. We are capable of marvelous things, but when we hate, it shakes the world. People today don't respect anything; god family, or country.

Until we really band together there will be more of this to come. This has got to stop people. I remember how this year started with a shooting out in Chardon. This guy stands trial wasting tax payer money and we all know he did it. I guess he deserves due process. Cleveland couple "believed" to have a gun and are mowed down by 136 Cleveland Police Officer bullets, no gun was found. Sounds like tax dollars hard at work. I remember George Zimmerman and stand your ground. There's been another murder in Florida that resulted because an older gentleman was intolerant of some teenagers playing loud music. Football player killed himself and his girlfriend caring his unborn child. A Football player drives drunk and consequently kills his best friend.

Now we have this shooting in Connecticut. Now I know I might be stoned for this comment, but from what I've seen it looks to be a predominately wonder bread suburb in Connecticut. I would guess the people who live there are upper middle class, trying to escape the hustle of city life. Well I think this shows us, you aren't really safe anywhere. Safety is just an illusion that you have convinced yourself to believe. When you fail to reach out for your neighbor, this is what you get. We only have like eighty years on this planet and then it's back to dust. It's really in everyone's best interest to work together, but instead we hold each other down, with boot heels on our brother's throat. Cain killed Able. I would hope we could foster a better tomorrow through shared sacrifice and community, but that's not gonna happen, we're too selfish for all that. When you live by the sword you die by the sword. If you live alone, you die alone.

Sad day.

All other responsible news outlets have pointed out that the assault rifle was found in his car and not used during the actual shooting. Gun control needs to be discussed with assault rifles at the forefront....not sensationalized by misleading or omitting facts. Shame on the Patch.

It's not about the Second Amendment, it's about greed.

Maybe instead of everyone blaming the government or the NRA they should be looking at what goes on in their own homes. Talk to your children, spend time with your children, get to know your children. Many parents today want to put the responsibility of raising their kids on the schools and blame everyone else when something goes wrong. Our children today have instant access to so many things on the internet, we need to be monitoring them better, as well as some of the games they play. Also, bullying can be done on line, by texts etc. we need to be talking more to our children. Lastly, get your child professional help if you suspect any type of mental health issues before something terrible happens, don't you owe them that??

an armed principal would have gone a long way.......... as would a state law warning that the school reserves the right to use deadly force on any person found on any school grounds with a firearm

I respect the people's right to bear arms as so far as they're defensive in nature. Magazine clips were originally devised for the military for purposes that are offensive in nature. We can't eliminate a crazy person's motivation but we can limit the amount of carnage that they are able to inflict.

Arm the principals? Yeah, right.

Allowing a crazy person to unload 30 rounds in 20 seconds has rendered the average American's right to defend themselves obsolete. Put that in your Second Amendment pipe and smoke it.

The government has established blood alcohol level limits with regard to driving.

The Second Amendment allows a person to bear arms for purposes of self defense. These offensive machine guns render the Second Amendment obsolete. I didn't contradict myself at all. These mass killings will continue and the political balance will shift against you. Time is on my side.

You're not of serious mind.

It's sad to see you two joke in the face of tragedy.

For one to defend the Constitution, he must first educate himself to it.

I'm not blaming the gun or a person's right to bear one but the offensive nature of a 30 round clip has increased the carnage of a gun in an unstable person's hands beyond anything the Second Amendment intended.

That's right, no one blames the car but we place limits on alcohol w/respect to driving. Did that mean that the government took away everyone's alcohol? Common sense limitations are in keeping with the Constitution.

As the mass killings continue, the political strength against magazines will only grow.

I'd rather use the Constitution to tie the hands of the criminal thank you.

Finding a solution to the problem is what we all want? That's naive. Today the gun and ammunition manufacturers are salivating at the thought of the increased sales this tragedy will bring forth.

The fact that the gun manufacturer's haven't been able to keep up with demand since the election is further evidence that behavior is motivated by irrational thinking rather than by a true Second Amendment concern. Talk about contradictory thought. LOL

You want me to say something about the shooter Super Citizen? Fine, I will. The fact that there are nut jobs out there is a given. We'll never change that no matter how much we try. But, we can limit a nut jobs ability to deliver rounds and give the poor souls in their path a fighting chance to escape.

What do you mean by wondering if they'll "let me stay" Super Citizen?

Wow! All this talk of eliminating my 2nd Amendment Rights.

Sounds good--just as soon as the Constitution revisionists give up their 1st Amendment Rights.

Deal?

gun nuts are an embarrassment to society. guns kill people, they do, it's the truth. if i have to pry your gun from your cold dead hands, trust me i will.

Only one of you cut straight to the issue with facts and that was Brunold. I'll get back to that in a moment. Mr. Confederate Man? I think we all know where this guy stands. I'm, sure he's got a Grand Wizard robe in his underwear drawer lol. Let's just break the name down. Mister abbreviated Mr. is a commonly used English honorific for men, the title derived from master. A confederate is a person who supports the confederate states of America. The Confederate States of America are eleven southern states of the United States of America between 1861 and 1865 who attempted key word attempted to succeed. Man (pl. men) refers to an adult human male. Mr. Confederate man is not a patriot he's a traitor and should be hung form the highest tree. He doesn't believe in a more perfect union. He wishes that the south had won obviously because he supports the institution of slavery lol. His allegiance is to the confederate states of America not The United states of America. Also last time I checked Ohio wasn't a confederate state.

If the Confederate states are so great why don't you take you and your hillbilly family back down there. Oh I know because there's no jobs down there, they live in poverty, and they are very uneducated. Mr. Confederate man is the problem with this country. Mr. Confederate Man If you don't like America the way it is, no one is stopping you from leaving. Canada, contrary to popular belief is right up the street. They tend to read books up there though, so your welcome will probably be short lived. Brunold hit the nail on the head.. "Here, is your glorious 2nd amendment America: 1865 - In a reaction to emancipation, several southern states adopt "black codes" which, among other things, forbid black persons from possessing firearms." So now we know the truth. The second amendment wasn't to ensure freedom for everyone. It was put into place to limit the freedom of a few lol. And a humble few at that. An injustice anywhere is an injustice everywhere.

Twenty children are dead. They will not have the privilege of unwrapping presents under their Christmas tree on the 25th of December. This is tragic. It is also ironic because people always say that guns save lives. Irony is a rhetorical device, literary technique, or situation in which there is an incongruity between the literal and the implied meaning. America has always been a violent culture. Ask a Native American how those peace treaties worked out lol. You see when you take and take and take and then say it's mandated from heaven lol things lose balance. What we saw yesterday was that loss of balance. I saw the guys picture he was a frail thing and probably just needed a friend. No one reached out to him and thus let whatever evil was brewing in his head fester and go unchecked. My heart goes out to those who lost their lives and their families as well. Life is sacred. We can either hang together, or we can hang separately but have no doubt about it we are going to hang. "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country." John F. Kennedy I'm just sayin ....

so sad. :( i will be praying for those families who have lost a child.

Sure Ed, assault weapons and their clips were devised by the military to deliver maximum fire power on the target to suppress the enemy. In a civilian setting, this is an unforgiving barrage of gunfire that does not allow one escape BY DESIGN. The police themselves find it difficult to deal with that sort of firepower. A few years ago in L.A. Two gunman held a whole police force hostage with such weapons. This has made the average American's ability to defend themselves OBSOLETE. As for the restrictions on such weapons, 40% of firearms are sold in this country at shady gun shows that do not require background checks. I can assemble an armory of machine guns w/o any questions being asked. This is a game. When things calm down in a couple of weeks, the NRA will send out a communication that Obama is coming for your guns setting of binge buying. The gun and ammo manufacturers will make out like bandits, the NRA will be rewarded by them handsomely and they'll wait for the next opportunity to do it all over again. This has nothing to do with the Second Amendment and everything to do with MONEY and POWER.

It was just reported on the news that each child received multiple wounds ALL delivered by the rifle. Automatic, semi-automatic makes no difference to me. They are machine guns meant for offensive purposes and are therefore in violation of the Second Amendment by virtue of the fact that it makes defense obsolete. Also, ALL gun shows are shady. Background checks aren't even debatable.

You're distorting the issue Ed. I have no problem with a citizen's right to a weapon to protect his family and home. I have no problem with a citizen's right to bear arms in order to hunt animals. You seem to see no limit to the Second Amendment. Freedom of speech does not allow one to yell "fire" in a theater or threaten the President. If I thought that owning a rocket propelled grenade launcher is my defense of choice, who are you to tell me no? If I thought a biological weapon like anthrax suits my defense interests, then who are you to say no ? Ed, my point is, where do you see the line with regards to the Second Amendment. Where within the Second Amendment is that line drawn? Do you really see the Second Amendment as all-encompassing ?

Ed, The Second Amendment: "a well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed" Do you see yourself a part of a Militia Ed? A part of a well regulated Militia Ed? Are you trying to secure a free State Ed? Do you see the Constitution as a "living" or a "dead" document?

Help me Ed, where "specifically" in the Second Amendment do you find a limitation with regards to weapons of mass destruction? I see the Constitution as a living document and not one set in stone. Your limitation with regards to grenades and anthrax suggest that you too see it as a living document since the Second Amendment is silent with regards to technological advances in weaponry. Therefore, it is appropriate for today's society to regulate the terms of the Second Amendment to suit today's reality, right?

As always Ed, I've enjoyed a fair debate with you. I must take my leave at this time because I have to finish "Team of Rivals". This is the book that the Lincoln movie is based on and I have to finish it before I see the movie. Enjoyed the debate.

Murphy, also, here is a link for your reference: http://www.atf.gov/firearms/enforcement/

Whenever something terrible like this happens well intentioned people come out of the woodwork to rail against guns. There is evil in this world, always has been, and always will be.

I look at my guns as protection for me and my family against this evil. Each time these horrific events occur I can't help but think if only there had been one person (besides the shooter) with a firearm, many lives could have been saved.

I recommend everyone carry, open or concealed. Not less guns, but more guns in the hands of good God fearing citizens.

I'm sort of wondering, did Mr. Confederate man delete his comments, or did the moderator. I was looking for a debate, but I guess my onslaught left no chance for one. Either way if there's one thing I can't stand it's a coward. Maybe my comments hit a little to close to home. I didn't mean to hurt any one's feelings. When we fail to be critical of each other, consequently we lower the standard.

Zetzer I see your point, but there are some flaws. Say someone did have a gun on 9/11 and fired upon the terrorists? Do you know how a loss of cabin pressure due to gunshots would affect the ability to fly the plane. Also have you seen airport security? Now we are going to arm everyone? I'm sorry I love people, but I do not trust everyone to responsibly carry a gun. Have you ever gone out to take part in the night life around the area? There's a lot of douches and I would say the average IQ is well below 120. Let's keep the guns in the hands of those responsible enough to carry them.

People are irrational in nature, not always, but I would say at least 20 percent of the time. That's too large of a margin for me. I think a person does have the right to own a gun in order to protect themselves and their property. However I don't want guns all over the place for instance while I'm eating my burrito a Chipotle. Even trained officers of the law use guns irresponsibly. Cleveland Police Officers shot two unarmed persons a total of a 136 times. I wonder what the officer's motivation was behind that. I don't think it was due process. I doubt the shooter in Connecticut used that many bullets, although those statics have not been released. America doesn't just have a gun problem, it also has a violence problem. You eve wonder why the archetypal American to foreigners is John Wayne? You see once we ran out of Native Americans to shoot, we started shooting each other.

Yes, violence is the problem, not the weapons themselves. In countries where guns are banned the sociopaths use bombs and take a much deadlier toll. In poverty-stricken Rwanda, where guns and bombs were too expensive, nearly a million people were once hacked to death by machetes. Before guns and bombs were even invented, humanity had no problem finding the tools to commit murder. Violence can best be minimized by self defense.

If only the first victim had been a gun owner, none of this would have happened.

Oh, wait a second.

You stupid, stupid people. The gun and ammo manufacturer's and their pimps the NRA have fooled you into believing that this has to do with the Second Amendment when it's all about money and power. Over and over you fools buy the corporate line that there is some greater purpose when the goal is money and power. You fear everything. You are cowards at heart. In time, you will be dealt with.

I find it interesting that MZ makes a sarcastic comment about a "brave" internet poster but isn't brave enough to post under his or her own name.

MZ is a decent guy from what I've read but these machine guns were never meant for civilian use.

Ed, it was reported this morning that the Bushmaster was an AR-15. AR standing for assault rifle. He had magazines with a capacity to for 30 rounds. If you wish to argue nuance, that is your right, but these military grade weapons are machine guns in my eyes. The gun lobby is very powerful in Washington but as the American people see these shootings increasing in number and intensity, the gun lobby's day of reckoning is coming. I found it instructive that NBC invited 31 pro-gun right Senators to appear on Meet The Press and they al declined. Ed, I understand the technical differences between an automatic and semi-automatic weapon but I pointedly use the term "machine gun" for a reason. The gun lobby is very uncomfortable with that term. These machine guns were designed for the military theater and not the movie theater.

First of all, God is to be capitalized! It's like not capitalizing texas. It is a name whether you like it or not or are into it or not. Anyway, we need to stop this insanity of violence with a lot of things; helping those in our community that are unstable REGARDLESS of what our civil rights are! If an unstable person over 18 doesn't take their meds, we as a community should step in and be worried and HELP. Another, our gun laws need to be BETTER. Bakcground checks should be a must. Mental health check should be a must. It isn't really about the gun, persay, people can kill without the gun. We need more love in the air, we have hate, but where is the love, the kindness.

Dawn, we can't predict when a maniac is going to committ such an act. We can limit the amount of damage he can inflict. I just want to give the potential victims a fighting chance to flee.

I would like to say something here. First of all, God is capitalized because it is in fact a name. Even if you don't believe in God, it's like not capitalizing texas. anyway, This very sad event has everything to do with everything. The way we act as a community, as an individual, the way we treat others, our whining about how we have civil rights and THAT makes it ok for an unstable person to not take his/her meds if needed. I think we need a lot done. Security at our schools. NOT a gun locked up, but a real trained officer, I would be ok with. We need to help the unstable and be THEIR community too. We need more kindness and love around. We need BETTER gun laws. We need BETTER background checks and mental checks on people who want to buy guns. It really isn't about the gun itself, people can kill without guns...

Kanter, if you disagree with anything I wrote, then let's hear your learned opinion. And please, please, enlighten us with your thoughts on why this tragedy happened. Don't think the kid was mentally ill ? I present my thoughts and opinions here same as everyone else. But then, instead of a debate, you gutless keyboard jockeys take shots. You're a real tough guy there, nancyboy.

I think the founders would have frowned on the use of a musket or a cannon against helpless school children as well. I might be going out on a limb here but I think the founders might have recognized that guns do not fire themselves, not even scary looking AR-15s. They might have been savvy enough to realize that guns require someone to aim them and pull the trigger. But go ahead and ban them, that will certainly stop evil from happening and all our kids will be safe...just like they are safe from drugs and pedophiles. Last time I checked, meth and child rape are both illegal. I think the constitution is silent on that but I would go so far as to say the founders probably would not have approved of either.

And I also am aware of those sad facts. And I firmly believe that we must address the reasons behind this terrible act. I am not fixated on the methods used. It's the "why" that we should address, not the "how". None of us can even begin to understand what kind of twisted psycho could conceive of such a thing. "Absolute certainty?" Yes, I believe with absolute certainty that the shooter was profoundly mentally disturbed and that somewhere, sometime, somehow, it should have been identified before he got to that point last Friday. And I know you don't agree, but to me, the weapon is not the issue at all. He could have produced the same horrific carnage using the 2 handguns. Or one. Or a homemade bomb.

America's sick obsession with guns.

I am bitterly clinging to guns and religion. I bet if bother taught in school, we all might be better off.
I am from the south. I don't like slavery. I am not a klansman. I was raised alot different than you. That doesn't make you better than me.

If you guys really cared about children you would ban drone strikes. Under Obama we have killed 176 Pakistani children. Where is the outrage? People in this country want to take away guns from law abiding citizens. It's really sad, and look into Australia and the UK. Strict Guns laws and the crime is including shootings.

Jiberish is a cool word MZ.

Murphy, I have had several posts get deleted over the past few days. Ever happened to you? Worst case, my posts may be sarcastic, but I never post foul language or call names, post threats or anything like that. Not sure what is going on. Maybe I offended the "patch masters" in some way.

I've never had a post deleted but I have had posts flagged as inappropriate. It seems some posters use the flagging device as payback even when it's not inappropriate. I've never seen a post of yours that I've found offensive.

Touché Brunold, touché.

Has anybody noticed that once we removed God from the school, we keep getting in more and more trouble.
if you are so anti gun, then really join the NRA. See what it's really about. Most of the stuff that you guys are saying here, is only half truths. Boast you don't even know what you're talking about. The NRA which
BI am a part of, is not just protecting our right to bear arms. It's about being responsible. It's about knowing the law. What does the NRA have to dowith the kid shooting all those kids

Liberals what do you expect to happen if they put a restriction on firearms? Do you think this will solve it? Your nuts if you do. I think we need to find a viable solution to this problem. Never once talked about the gun. I haven't read any where that has had anything to say about the kid that pulled the trigger. But that can't be his fault, it's the guns fault. Do you think the NRA condolences?

If more Americans had guns, the crazy people would get off less shots. So banning guns, bans the solution. You'll never stopthe crazy people from getting guns. you're just banning me from protecting myself and my family. And you just given criminals a bunch of free targets.

It has been my experience that the truth can usually be found by following the money. Some speak of the high ideals of the NRA. That's naive. The NRA is the official trade group for the gun and ammo manufacturers. The majority of NRA revenue comes from these manufacturers. The goal of these manufacturers is revenue growth and the NRA lobbies Congress to help achieve that goal and is rewarded financially for their efforts. The Second Amendment is secondary to the NRA. Their First Amendment is money and power.

this has been buried in the news >>>> At the Clackamas Mall in Oregon last week, an active shooter murdered two people and then saw that a shopper, who had a handgun carry permit, had drawn a gun and was aiming at him. The murderer's next shot was to kill himself. >>> here is the link to the buried story http://www.kgw.com/news/Clackamas-man-armed-confronts-mall-shooter-183593571.html

So, what your saying is, banning guns would have prevented this or from happening in the future. Your nuts. Where there is a will, there is a way. Please, be smarter than what you are suggesting

Take your own advice Conferderate, no one suggested that the shooting could have been avoided. The extent of the slaughter certainly could have been prevented. Read more closely next time smarty pants.

What if my weapon of choice is a hand grenade? The Second Amendment is silent on hand grenades.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Rifle_Association this is the facts. NRA relieves no money from gun or ammo manufacturers. Please stop spreading lies that you tell. I pay dues to the NRA. Please get your facts straight before you speak.
I will keep my guns now. There is nothing you can do to stop me from owning my firearms. There are too many gun owners both Republican, independent and Democrats that own firearms.

Now who's not being smart. If you care to look at something other than NRA propaganda you will realize your comments about NRA funding are patently false.

I do not own a gun and will never own a gun (my choice) but I am beginning to think that gun free zones are the problem (if you posted a sign at a cities borders saying the town is 100% gun free including the police not permitted to carry guns) would the city be safer

So What you're saying is wiki reporting false information? You're not gonna be able to stop gun ownership. You are way out numberEd. the Liberals our way out numbered

You obviously are unaware of what the WIKI format is. Educate yourself.

Don't be a sore loser

You actually support my point Ed. The gun lobby are the ones that hide behind the Second Amendment, not me. You are right in saying that our society has imposed limitations on the Second Amendment. In my opinion, you are wrong to think lobbying and money has drawn the proper line.

Next thing you know photos from America will look like the photos from the middle east where everyone has a gun and multiple weapons.

It amazes me how gun advocates are unable to admit guns serve no purpose than to kill. The military didn't develop all their goodies to fluff pillows and make cotton candy. They are to kill.

No one debated the rights you describe Ed.

Nobody said a word about the shooter. Did he have a doctor, may be prescribed the wrong medication.
If this guy I had taken a car and hit a bunch of kids god forbid, would you guys be blaming the car?
How often do you hear of sane people comiuting this crime? But it still guns for right?

Its sad that I have to defend my amendments. I respect your first, why can't you do the same for my 2nd

I can respect the Second Amendment but disagree with it's interpretation. When the framers talked about a well armed Militia I'm certain they didn't mean having the capability of firing 30 rounds into elementary students in 20 second intervals. But, that's just me.

Brunold keep fighting the good fight. I doubt most people here want to talk about all the amendments or what the constitution truly represents. They only focus on the parts of the constitution that benefit them lol. This country has a long history of accountability issues and the ramifications for that irresponsibility can be seen more clearly today than at any other time. You see due to the fluidity of information it's becoming harder and harder to get away with telling a lie. Although a master of deceit will still do it well. Midwesterners love their guns and bibles until they walk into the wrong movie theatre and don't walk out. People rarely take a stance on an issue unless it directly affects them. Basically someone close to them is going to have to perish at the hands of a criminal with a gun for them to understand. Then perhaps they will think rationally and act responsibly. Don't hold your breath. The purpose behind the creation of the AK-47 was not and is not home defense. We still have this childhood fixation with John Wayne and Rambo lol. You live by the sword you die by the sword.

Brunold, save your "sorry". I'm just fine. Not fearful at all. Just a regular guy who recognizes the world around me as one different from the one you watch on TV. I'm a realist. I don't look to you or others to provide me with security. Never have. So that's the view I have. We won't agree on this. No need to be confrontational. If you are happy being comforted and protected by others, good for you. My hope is that I never need to shoot at anything other than the occasional paper target. I also hope that you and others like you are never in need of protection from anything. Unfortunately, the daily news continually destroys that hope.

Ed, I agree with you in principle but I don't think it is fair to say Brunold depends on others to protect him. I've never owned or touched a gun for that matter. Most people killed in their homes are killed by someone they know, especially women. I can name a longer list of mass shootings in a public place in 2012 then I can home invasion shootings by strangers. I respect your right to bear arms at home but disagree that those who don't have guns are depending on anyone to protect them.

Son, we live in a world that has walls and those walls need to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lieutenant Weinberg? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago and curse the Marines; you have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives and that my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives.
You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use then as the backbone of a life trying to defend something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you," and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest that you pick up a weapon and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.

Ah Kim L., that was a movie referring to a military. You provide me nothing. Let's be clear about that.

Woot woot
Our governor just signed another pro gun bill. Now we are permitted to have a gun in our vehicles on state property. Awesome!

Ed, I have said you have a right to have a gun at home. I'm abdicating nothing. If someone breaks down my door, I'll deal with them. General policing aside, no one protects me but myself. I don't live my life in fear. I'll take of my own business a fashion of my choosing.

I know I only see things one way. I was raised with guns. I was drilled with the ar15 in my hand. It saved my life, yet took others. Life changes everything when you are being shot at. It changes everything also when you see your team being shot..
I can't help but wonder what you would do lets say out to eat and someone comes in shooting up the place. It sounds as if you would jump up and say "hey, I am anti gun, your not supposed to have that gun" I bet you would not like the outcome. I bet you would want someone like me there to preserve human life. The cops can't be everywhere. It takes time for them to come after 911.
Also, I view it as the sorrow dieing would bring to my family, knowing I could have lived. You do not see it like that. I could and would protect myself and you if given the same situation., but you want to ban the very thing that could save your life.
To sum it up, would you want someone there who has a concealed weapon if you were getting robbed? I would hope you would. There are over 300 million guns in America, you can't stop that

America has armed themselves to the teeth with 300 million weapons and now find it a necessity to add more. You people have created your own self fulfilling prophecy and are too blind to see that.

Gary, please read my prior comments. We are all equal. I never said anyone was better than anyone else. Please get your facts straight. It makes you seem unintelligent, I hope you are tho. Knowing that American have guns eats you up inside. Feel free to stay home and live in the world you want to create. For me, I will survive

All this talk about guns and ammo really inspired me to go to Walmart, yes Walmart and buy a box of ammo. Do you know why, because I can. Its legal and my god given right.

And if that's not your your type of thing then you always have the right to not go down that isle. Please don't try to block that isle from others. Its not your job.

Touché Gary, touché.

Go to www.atlanticfirerms.com or go to any gun website and see for yourself. All gunsales are now closed due to too much demand. Try and find an AR. You cant, even I cant. Millions of Americans are buying guns. The ATF is backed up for hours for background checks. Kinda scary even for me. The fact that I cant buy a gun right now due to out of stock scares me. I am glad I have my weapons now

www.atlanticfirearms.com

"The fact that I can't buy a gun right now due to out of stock scares me" ? Then why not try courage for a change.

Well, who's right, millions of Americans or 3 guys on the patch. Last I knew it was the majority vote that counts

Here's some numbers for you. The population is 311,000,000 people in America. There are well over 300,000,000 guns out there now. You do the math, no gun owner will ever give up the right.

Because a guy who professes to have an arsenal of weapons used the word "scared" twice in his last post because gun sales have clogged the system. You have nothing to fear but fear itself.

who says I have an arsenal of weapons. I only own 1. Check the registration for yourself. The word "scare" is said was used as a figure of speech. I meant it as that millions of people are buying guns and now the prices will go up.
Furthermore, I hope that no one is taking personal this conversation. I am rather enjoying it because I get to see the otherside of things. The people I hang with are pro gun. Kinda nice to see that it make people uncomfortable to be around guns

The police detain the killer that morning. The mother was trying to have the shooter committed. But it still the guns fault

I should be careful what I say. I don't want to alarm anyone and don't want the law paying me a visit. I just sold my gun just now but I am still pro amendment

This just in...

The Unabridged NRA Statement

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 9:35amAuthor: The EditorsSPIN-SANITY DEPT.

"On Tuesday, the National Rifle Association released its first statement regarding the horrific shooting in Newtown, CT. It was brief and concise — mainly because much of the original draft was edited out. Fortunately, a copy of the unabridged version was made available to us."

http://www.madmagazine.com/blog/2012/12/19/the-unabridged-nra-statement

And also the fifth.....lol
But why is no one talking about the shooters mental condition too?

Garry, you are quoting mad magazine?

Really mad magazine? Its gotta be true then.
Probably should have thought your last comment or are you trying to be funny

Your the one that posted mad magazine...... why were you not questioning his mental condition? Does that not bother you?
Thank-you for posting the mad magazine post. I needed the laugh, but don't worry, it doesn't make me question your judgement or sincerely. It doesn't affect all the other posts you made. Lol. Good one

Words you'll never see an NRAist post:

"You've made a valid point. However..."

Okay I'm really serious. WHY DO SHOOTINGS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE ONLY HAPPEN AT PLACES WHERE YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE A GUN. and that's a fact. The answer is right here

Garry, What would happen If something like this for What happened to your kids. Would you want someone therewho Had a firearm? I try not to think about it What I would want someone to shoot back

Why do you want The government control more of your life

And your credibility comes from mad magazine

I would too if I quoted mad magazine. Where is brecksville anyway? I didn't realise this wasn't my city

No, I am not. I still don't know how gun control would have stopped this. If anything, we need more guns. WHY IS THE GUN IN QUESTION? WHAT ABOUT HIS MENTAL CONDITION?

And how many guns does an “average American” own? If you count everyone in a gun owning household as a gun owner, the average American gun owner owns three guns. If you only count those who have put their money on the counter the average American gun owner owns nine guns.

You can take your choice – but we have enough guns in circulation in the United States to arm every American man, woman, and child twice over.

And violent crime is still inversely proportional to the number of guns in LOCAL circulation. More guns mean less crime. Each and every time.

Stranger

UPDATE As of July 1, 2012, there are at least 78 million individuals who have “filled out a 4473 and put money on the counter.”

Those gun buyers and their families add up to 244 million Americans who live in a home with a gun, and have some claim to gun ownership.

http://extranosalley.com/?p=2917

http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/18/15977143-gun-control-offers-no-cure-all-in-america?lite

WOW! This has a ton of info!

Excellent Brunold, expounding on that info, Americans represent 5% of the world's population yet we posses 50% of the world's firearms. See a self-fulfilling prophecy here?

At least will lead the world in something, right Brunold?

Name one gun law that has worked in saving lives? Would you believe in NYC being a safe city? What about Chicago, they seem to be real safe to walk in. The mayor of chicago had to ask criminals to lay off the kids in his speech.
WOULD YOU FEEL SAFE TO WALK THE STREETS OF NYC AT NIGHT? I wonder ?

Mayor Bloomberg brags that New York City has the lowest crime rate of any major American city. Let me see: Confederate or Bloomberg? Confederate or billionaire? I think I'll go with Bloomberg on this one.

It is not skewed. Brunold was kind enough to state the source.

Jean, so banning guns will curb suicide? Whats next, the Brooklyn Bridge because people commit suicide there too.
so you would feel safer walking in NYC than in my street?
There is no way to see how many lives were saved by firearms too

How does 20 dead children qualify you as being on the "winning" team. You're disgusting Confederate.

I thought you were better then that MZ. My bad.

20 kids are dead because they were in a concealed carry free zone. It makes our kids easy targets and that makes my blood boil. The ferry think you're trying to ban is a very thing that could save their lives

I can just see you now jumping up and telling the criminal that he's not allowed to have that gun he has pointed at you. I'm sure you'll get through it will change his mind. I'm sure he'll go Wow, I didn't know I wasn't allowed to have a gun. I'll have to swing by the police department and turn it in. Because you know if you can own a gun, that neither can he. And that is exactly what you're saying Murphy

Alcohol kills more people than anything else combined. I'm sure you're kicking back right now drinking a few. But that's okay for you

There's a fact. 25 people died last year from plastic bags. 90 percent were kids under the age of 4. I bet you have a few plastic bags in your house right now. And you're okay with that. The same thing applies here. You are so double standard

The cause and the solution are 1 in the same

Well shooting is in the Olympics. Its recreational and competitive. You never hear of a sane person doing anything like that. What if he had run his car into a bunch if kids (god forbid) would it still be the cars fault? Do you want to ban cars now. Its the same thing. Giving the gov more power to tell people what they can do and what they can't do sounds like communism, but your probably for that too.

Alright I give up. I really don't have anything else to bring to the table. I am almost sure that will see a gun ban or some kind of restrictions soon. I'm glad I got rid of all my guns.

So, I am convinced that all guns should be banned. Let's start tomorrow. What's the plan?

Hey why you guys are at it, can you ban cellphones too. Everyone wants to text and drive. I think it's their soul purpose. I'm a truck driver. I see it all the time. I blame Verizon Wireless. How dare they make a schedule a product like that

You guys are starting to sound like communist. You're not going to have that in this country. But you do have a shot at socialism though

Schmidt, just to let you know, each one of those children had between 3 and 13 gunshot wounds in their little bodies. The gun used was capable of delivering 30 bullets in 20 seconds. You go tell the parents of these children that the gun is not a machine gun.

Can we move this conversation to another post. It's taking me forever to scroll down

I feel so bad for the parents

I might agree with some of what you say, but it would take a strong police force. If we where I live had a police chief like brimfield then yes. Sadly, I live in Kent.