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Majority of Patch Readers Want School Board, Unions to Sign “The Pledge”

There is no update yet on whether the pledge will be signed.

 

On Tuesday, we asked readers whether they supported the teacher and staff unions' proposed “pledge,” the latest move in the school district's contentious contract negotiations. The vast majority of our readers voted in favor of the idea as of Thursday afternoon.

The pledge, which was revealed in a press conference Monday evening, asks the Brecksville-Broadview Heights school board to give up its right to impose a contract. In exchange, the Brecksville-Broadview Heights Education Association and Organization of Support Staff would give up their right to strike. This agreement would last until new contracts were signed.

In our non-scientific poll, 74 percent of respondents voted that the pledge is a good idea and that they want both sides to sign it. Twenty-two percent of respondents disagreed, voting that the board should not give up its right to impose a contract. No one voted that the teachers and staff shouldn’t give up their right to strike.

There has been no news on the proposal since Monday’s press conference. As of 6 p.m. on Monday, Board President David Tryon said the board would take the proposal “under advisement.” He could not be reached later this week for an update.

What do you think about the proposal? Tell us in the comments.

Related Topics: Brecksville-Broadview Heights Board of Education, Brecksville-Broadview Heights Education Association, Brecksville-Broadview Heights Organization of Support Staff, and Contract Negotiations

Jes

8:16 am on Friday, August 17, 2012

Perhaps that is due to the fact that all the teachers are at home reading the patch, enjoying their 3 months off, while the rest of the residents are at work.

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Donald

8:37 am on Friday, August 17, 2012

Go Jes Go you r so right

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Nicole

3:39 pm on Friday, August 17, 2012

right Jes, out working.....just like you, Donald Duck, Lyn the whiner and Lenore L. who hasn't had anything right despite trying to keep up with Lyn's worthless posting volumes.

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lyn

4:21 pm on Friday, August 17, 2012

Nicole-
I see you picked up right where you left off a month ago - attacking posters rather than discussing the topic.
BTW, just got back from a business lunch and meeting, and 9 holes. How's that for a cushy life?

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lyn

4:56 pm on Friday, August 17, 2012

Or maybe I've just been sitting around doing nothing, making up stories.

lyn

8:22 am on Friday, August 17, 2012

This Patch has become the teachers personal blog.
Go over to cleveland.com and the comments are extremely different - they can't put daily blogs on there and that site is more reflective of the community.

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Lenore L.

8:27 am on Friday, August 17, 2012

This gives proof that the patch is highly influenced by union and teachers. When you visit about town and speak with neighbors, it is clear the majority does not support the pledge or the unions' position.

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Donald

8:36 am on Friday, August 17, 2012

This is a union blog... ask Rachel who funds the Patch?
Rachel take that headline down that is a lie.... I said and so did that guy frank... lies and mis information that is what the teachers and their supporters want..... confuse you so they can hide the truth...
Rachel you r not a member of our community

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Lenore L.

8:49 am on Friday, August 17, 2012

It does appear the patch requires a disclaimer notice of truth to readers. Many feel this is a local news site such as Sun Post. Fifth ammended does not cover fraud and deceitful practices. There is a newer federal law on the books that states you must notify readers of income, gifts, ect in exchange for publicity. Seems they may have some legal exposure. JMHO.

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Jim

9:03 am on Friday, August 17, 2012

Hey everyone! There's an unscientific poll on the internet that disagrees with my position! Grab your pitchforks and follow me!

Seriously, though. Accusing the Patch of bias after an extremely unscientific poll puts you in the minority is simply ridiculous. The Patch is simply covering an issue that both sides feel strongly about. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but there will always be people that disagree with you. If you want a community of people that will agree with you every time while claiming to be "fair and balanced," you might want to go back to Fox News. Until then, kindly stop cluttering the website with these kinds of comments.

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CM PUNK

9:05 am on Friday, August 17, 2012

There is obviously a majority of people who dont support the pledge. Look at last tax increases the community failed. I never saw this many teachers working the phones or knocking on doors selling the levy to the voters. I worked the last levy and only a select few were involved.

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Julie W

2:23 pm on Friday, August 17, 2012

Note the title, "the majority of the Patch Readers." If you go to the article asking people to take the poll you will see only 90 votes were submitted and as stated earlier it was not a scientific poll. To all those individuals reading and posting, I would not waste anymore time arguing about this, getting excited or upset. I personally don't think it tells you anything significant or conclusive.

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Meredith

2:28 pm on Friday, August 17, 2012

This board is absolutely ridiculous. How about you get off the computer and spend time with your families. You have no control over the status of the contract, nor do you even understand most of it. Get a life, stop complaining, and stop pretending to be experts at a subject you know basically nothing about. This board has become an infestation of complaining about teachers and putting them down. Honestly, get a life.

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Jim

10:42 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012

I will assume you do not mean the school board. The comment board can be ridiculous with some of the innane comments.

Marie

2:42 pm on Friday, August 17, 2012

Oh misinformed public. I'm a teacher and a resident of Brecksville. I am so tired of the information that is false. First off 3 months off? Really? Just because the students start and stop at a certain date doesn't mean teachers are done. Many continue to shut down their classrooms long after students are gone and many are setting up their rooms long before the students arrive.

Summer is a time for teachers to work on new ideas for the following year and many take classes to further their education.

Oh those who think the job stops after the kids leave at the end of the day obviously don't teach. My day 90% of the time doesn't end until midnight! Grading papers, planning, communicating with parents......

We all made our choices when it came to careers. Some jobs get bonuses and holiday pay....perk. Teachers get the summer off.....perk. Those who are griping can always change their career and become teachers.

I'm sad that this misinformation is what the public believes.

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Lenore L.

6:56 pm on Friday, August 17, 2012

Wake up call, most jobs no longer give bonuses and perks. Instead people got lay offs and pay cuts. Our teachers are so out of touch!

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Average Joe

12:10 am on Saturday, August 18, 2012

What you say is so similar to union brothers from the steel mill were saying. You union members are indeed the chosen people that dedicated your life for the good others.

Speaking of email. One of my kid's teachers replied 20% of our email. During the last school year, we sent her 10 emails, she replied 2.

As for planning, I am sure that the teachers will need to plan for the same class year after years. For example, about the same time of the year, my kid would come home telling me the same story that her older sibling told me the year before. They had the same teacher.

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Average Joe

12:11 am on Saturday, August 18, 2012

Wow!! You sound like a union brother from the teamster. I understand that union members sacrifice themselves for the good for the public. They do it all the time.

Speaking of email, we have 4 kids in the school and send less than 20 emails to the teachers each year. One of the teachers answer 20% of our email. That's about 2 out of 10.

Whoa_pony

4:25 pm on Friday, August 17, 2012

I don't want to fart, but I will.

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Meredith

7:50 pm on Friday, August 17, 2012

Donald,
What, seriously, are your hobbies other than trolling on the internet about teachers? Wondering if at one point a woman teacher broke it off with you - that may explain your hatred of teachers. I hear match.com has a wonderful success rate.

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Donald

6:42 am on Saturday, August 18, 2012

Meredith
I do not hate teachers... stop the demonizing... this is exactly what you did to Mr. Tyron and any one else that disagerees with you miss.... you are not going to get away with it anymore.....You made your bed lay in it...You marched with "The Mob"
You voted a strike authorization, You put out lie after lie after lie....The one I won't forget is the "We gave back" only for all of us to find out you didn't give back you TOOK MORE.
Look in the mirror you asked for it and the BOE is giving to you
Being single I must say "I love teachers" in a godly way of course!

Donald

9:34 pm on Friday, August 17, 2012

M its all over for you and your girlfiend oops

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Tara

10:02 pm on Friday, August 17, 2012

All of you seriously need a reality check! they are teachers and they will do what they want!so what is the point getting in stupid fights!what are we 12?you must be pretty immature to get into fights!GET OVER IT!WHAT ARE WE SERIOUSLY GONNA DO!

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Average Joe

12:13 am on Saturday, August 18, 2012

I think that most people in our school district couldn't care less about this. I hope that the teachers will strike. That will wake up a few more people.

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Donald

6:43 am on Saturday, August 18, 2012

Tara great name grat movie

Donald

7:56 am on Saturday, August 18, 2012

Updated 8 p.m. ET: FORT WORTH, Texas -- Brittni Colleps, the Kennedale teacher accused of having improper sexual relationships with several of her students, has been found guilty on all counts of five indictments against her.

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Janice

9:40 am on Saturday, August 18, 2012

Come on Donald, I respect your opinions, although I do not agree with them but this has crossed the line. This has absolutely nothing to do with anything and the fact that you would post this is a little disturbing. I do, however, agree (never thought I would) with your post about drug testing. Yes, teachers should be drug tested.

Meredith

8:26 am on Saturday, August 18, 2012

Oh my gosh Donald...what is wrong with you?

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Donald

9:30 am on Saturday, August 18, 2012

Our teachers should be tested for drugs..
There is nothing wrong with random drug testing after all they have our children all day..... Perhaps " The Mob" should be tested..... I wonder how many "Mob" members regret what they did..........hmmmmm

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Lenore L.

5:53 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012

Drug AND alcohol testing. There is a reason for the addition of alcohol in this post. Certain teachers will know what I mean. I won't eve get into the teachers that are "overly friendly" with each other despite being married. Real good example they are setting.

J.S. Daily

7:15 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012

Just so you all know Lyn is really Renee Engelhart and that Lenore and Donald are really Dosen and Tryon. They should all know that anyone who can hack can also get the IP addresses when they go to sites from their computer.

For the board members - Great way to act! Their post shows a total lack of respect for the school staffs and how little they care about the community they supposedly serve. They would rather tear things apart, rile up the people over little things and destroy the schools. WOW! Is this how you want your board members to act! I don’t!!!!!

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Average Joe

9:12 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012

My god. Just go to any popular news website, such as news.yahoo.com, and see what people think of the teachers and their union.

It's time to drain the swamp.

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Lenore L.

8:34 am on Sunday, August 19, 2012

J.S. Daily. Your full of crap. Show us how you can hack and IP and we can talk.

Donald

8:52 am on Sunday, August 19, 2012

Lenore see you at the next board meeting.......... don't listen to that Jack Ass ...J.S... Daily he is a member of "The Mob".....oh my this is too much fun isn't it?

I'll be back I need to go to the store and buy "Pledge" I wonder if theysell it in a lime green can.....

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Donald

10:58 am on Sunday, August 19, 2012

J.S Daly you coulldn't hack into your under wear.....oh my.......dude as the kids would say you made a Jack Ass out of your self....listen go sign "The Pledge" and come back with some more entertainment for us....

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Donald

12:19 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012

P. O here is my prospective... for some crazy reason some not all believe that the world will end if our current teachers strike. We the residents, not the want to be residents of Brecksville, put our teachers on top of the mountain for years.... they thought they could continue to scare parents into voting for levies and pay raises... we all remember" Its about the kids" "Your property value will go down" "We have the toughest job in the world", " We are taking away busing" "You will have to pay to play", " We are getting rid of AP Classes" on and on and on. We the residents, (WITH THE BIG HELP OF THE SCHOOL BOARDS PAST) made them fat and sassy because we thought money would buy us all great educations. Well we have become no moree than an average school district with a school systems ratings heading down. But P.O its mostly with the same teachers in place......
To all out there this has been coming for years. We will look back at Joe Zenir as nothing more than a "Remeber that guy"
To the BOE empose the contract and lets get on with our lives, if a teacher wants a job she/he will cross the line.. if not I wish him/her the best.
All bubbles blow look what happened in the housing market and the tech boom of 1999.....
The sound you hear in the streets of Brecksville is the air coming out of " The Teachers Bubble"

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Joe

6:44 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012

I believe when you have 30% less staff, larger classes, less happy employees, then I would expect the ratings to go down. However, the only reason the ratings went down was the grading system was changed by the state, with the expectations the ratings would go down. If you change what an "A" grade would be to a "B" only to make sure there are less "A's" then what would you expect the results to be?

Joe

2:27 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012

Miss a few days miss a lot. I don't know anything about hacking, but I bet the folks who work with Rachel on this site could tell us the truth. Seems we had to sign in with an email, maybe that tells us. Do they have other ways of knowing? Why don't Donald, Lenore and Lyn give Rachel permission to say if they really are Dosen, Tryon and Renee E. That would settle it easily. If none of them use those aliases then she won't tell us who they are, just who they aren't If they do use it, I think everyone has the right to know, at least about the elected board officers, I would think The Watchdog would have had no problem being known here. It would have helped get more people to her website.

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lyn

3:09 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012

I bet you also want to see all of Romney's tax returns.

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lyn

3:20 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012

Or maybe you were one of those who demanded to see Obama's birth certificate!

lyn

3:03 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012

This has been amusing.
I recognize 2 of those names, but where does the name Renee E. fit into the board/teacher negotiation process - who is she (or he)? This isn't the first time I've seen the name come up.

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Ann

3:45 pm on Monday, August 20, 2012

Renee Bovit from BBHHS class of 1980. Aren't you a grad? Google schoolboardwatchdog. She has also had a hand in ruining our schools because she is mad that a kindergarten teacher told her that her son could not read like 7 yrs ago. She has had a vendetta ever since. It is really sad. Lyn you should attend our board meetings you would be very entertained.

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lyn

4:10 pm on Monday, August 20, 2012

Ann-
OK, I'll jump back in to answer that one.

I'm sorry, the name doesn't mean anything to me. Just because someone may be an alumni does not mean they know everyone who has ever walked the halls there.

And actually, after reading all these posts over the last few months, I am quite saddened at what has become of the school system and the way the teachers have conducted themselves. Therefore, I think I would prefer to hold on to what little fantasy I can of the past and remember how adults accomplished things for the students. So, although I had an interest in what was taking place, I have been greatly disillusioned by both the teachers and the community and refuse to face reality by attending a meeting. And will probably remain in Strongsville because of this. And, I do like it here - it really is a nice community, believe it or not. Maybe not as small or as wealthy, but a tad more friendly. Not a knock on Brecksville. I love that city. My parents live there, as do my in-laws and 2 of my siblings. So, see, I do have strong ties, but this has been a real eye opener for us.

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lyn

4:17 pm on Monday, August 20, 2012

Ann-
And, you know what? As I reread my comment, it mad me sad and almost tear up. It feels like I'm saying good-bye to an old friend after all these years.

Joe

6:37 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012

Seen Obama's proof, will never see Romney's tax, when you make that much money if you don't know how to hide money from the gov. I wouldn't believe you could make that much. It becomes part of the game. I would say that I do have a hard time believing Lyn is Renee E. from watchdog.com - only because lyn is much better at being able to come across as somewhat sane. Something I've never seen at school board meetings or on the watchdog sight from R.E.

I would wager that Donald and Lenore L. will not step up to the challenge, which is damning enough for me. Really bad childish behavior from two board members voted into office...

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Frank

6:31 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012

Lyn it seems you like taking cheap shots at people especially Renee E... The class of Brecksville

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Ann

8:14 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012

To lyn,
No need to feel sad. You are welcome back anytime as long as you support the schools!! A settlement is close. The mood will change. Teachers in Brecksville-Broadview Hts deserve to be respected and were not by some on The Patch. They are wonderful teachers and really do enjoy their jobs. Many love the teachers and was willing to fight for them. Not all in Brecksville are as wealthy as you think. Friendly? It's a mix just like when you were here I am sure. I don't think everything you read or see on the news will give you the true picture. You have to live it.

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Frank

5:23 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012

Ann we are spending more than we have... The parents have sacraficed everything and the teachers refuse to sacrifice a thing, those are the facts no matter what side of this you are on. Simply read the union proposal and read the board proposal....
1. Eliminated high school busing
2. eliminated bus service insde of 2 miles
3. pay 100 percent of activities
4. cut back in classes
5. put off upgrades in technology
etc etc etc Where did all that savings go? To the teachers... They just got a 10% pay raise I don't believe that there is an agreement on a contract... I believe it to be a agreement not to strike and for the teachers to start school under the old contract...If I am wrong please tell me when both unions are set to vote?? I am trying to find out but can't. The teachers owe it to our ommunity to start school with a contract. If our teachers are allowed to start school with out a contract credibility of both union and BOE would be lost.... Personally the teachers were never going to strike... they would have never found a job at the pay they have here and they know that.... Most of us never believed they would strike

Janice

8:10 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012

Frank,
They have reached a tentative agreement. This is taken directly from the district website:

Tentative Agreement Reached
"The BBHCSD Board of Education, teacher association (BEA) and support staff (BOSS) announce that they have reached a tentative agreement. Agreement details regarding the settlement will not be disclosed until all parties ratify the agreements. All three negotiation teams recommend ratification."

Both unions and the BOE need to ratify the contract at the next board meeting Monday night at 7pm. If all sides sign there will be a new contract in place before the start of school. The BOE needs to agree with majority vote (2-3) for it to be ratified. Also, only the initial proposals were presented on the website. As far as last week it was cited in a press release that the teachers union had conceded over 2.5 million dollars plus various other language changes during negotiations so there has been sacrifices since the initial proposals. We shall see what that looks like on Monday, but to answer your question, YES there is a tentative agreement set to be voted on Monday.

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Frank

4:50 pm on Saturday, August 25, 2012

Janice thank you since you posted I have found out a little info from a teacher..
The teachers did not agree to give back any part of their 10 % pay raise that they were given on July 1 2012, The teachers did not agree to pay cuts and from what I understand they will pay a very little more for health care. Further if you are correct and I have no reason to doubt you, 2.5 million dollars still leaves us with deficit spending of over $3,000,000 per year....WHICH means a levy in the spring or fall...
In other words Janice all of this was for show......Friends angry with each other, union reps calling board members names and going to the boards house, many teachers lost the respect of the community, tax payers calling teachers names.. and so on and on....
I know no less than 4 of my friends that have taken their children out of the BBH district and are scrambling to enroll them in a private school........which they can not afford.......The school board should post the contract before it is ratified so the taxpayers could comment on it before the vote....... something is not right with this picture do you agree?

Janice

5:08 pm on Saturday, August 25, 2012

Yes Frank, the whole thing became very ugly I can agree on that. However, even Mr. Dosen and Mr. Zeigler in their campaigning said there would have to be a new money levy but at a lower cost. I also heard from a teacher that if the contract runs for 4 years, which apparently there is a clause in it that it can, the savings would be 3.8 million. Also, not all teachers got a 10% raise. Yes, some did. I think it may have been stated somewhere on here about 40% did get raises UP TO 10%....but that means about half did not. So, just like it is not fair to say there were no raises. It is not fair to say all teachers got a 10% raise. There will be a levy, that will be up to the voters, but it was never promised that there wouldn't be a levy. Remember, the Dosen/Ziegler slogan was "shared sacrifice". I guess the shared sacrifice here is the union as a "whole" 2.5 million-3.8 million (if the contract goes that fourth year) and a new money levy.

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Frank

11:22 am on Sunday, August 26, 2012

Janice here is the problem the taxpayer and parents are making the sacrifices. I spoke to a teacher/friend this morning after church.. It is a four year deal you are correct...The teachers gave nothing back. in terms of pay... they did not take a pay reduction in any way shape or form. Further their additional contribution to their medical premiums was and I quote "insignificant" Not all pay was frozen, longevity and step pay increases are still in place... net net the teachers got pay raises. If you maake $10 in 2012 and make $11 in 2013 you got a pay raise no matter how you got it.... step... longevity...base. As for the incredible 10% pay raise that as you said 40% of the teachers got they are not going to give one penny of it back. I ask you to think about a 10% pay raiese in this or any other economy....wow i wish I could get that along with thousands of others in this town
The contract should not be radified until the taxpayers can add their input... we pay the bills and in the spirit of tansparency as our board stated open up the process. I think if the taxpayers saw this contract before the ratification there is no way it gets ratified.

Frank

11:30 am on Sunday, August 26, 2012

Janice if what you say is correct the teachers will save us nearly 3 million over 4 years we are in trouble again we are running a $4,000,000 a year defecit...
Not one teacher is tested on her/his ability to teach
Not one teacher is paid on his/her merit
Not one teacher is drug tested especially the fact they are with our children
And for this they got a 10% pay raise I am sorry to disagree this would never happen anywhere else...no way. If the taxpayer " The Employer if you will" has no control over who works for them you have what we have now. The new contract when it is ratified needs to be posted to the web site,as well as distributed to all residents of the district.... No more of the disinformation on both sides. I can hear it now when the new levy comes up " The teachers took millions in Pay cuts vote yes on the new levy" just like they did the last time, unfortunatly we all found out " The Issue Committee" headed up by Mr. Prebbles did not tell us the truth.
I wouldn't want to be a teacher at open house this year...

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Frank

11:32 am on Sunday, August 26, 2012

Janice ps thanks for your thoughts

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Frank

5:54 pm on Sunday, August 26, 2012

Justin
There is no failure in the negotiation I don't know what the end result is..
The BOE negotiated on behalf of us all and I support them no matter what the outcome.... i do know this we spent 4 million dollars more than we took in that is deficit spending that can oly be balanced through cuts in spending, additional revenue or both. This is not a zero sum game I am sure you know that but it has been treated that way. I have no illusions I do not speak for all but I do know this and it is without contestation "we the people" defeated three new levy attempts this should be a very important part of any negotiation. After all we are not communists..lol > you as well enjoy your evening and a grand one it is.

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