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POLL: Three Days of Ohio Early Voting Restored by Federal Judge

Judge agrees with Obama campaign that the law was unconstitutional.

 

An Ohio law that cut out three days of early voting was ruled unconstitutional by a federal judge today, according to The Plain Dealer

Traditionally, voters could go to the polls and vote through the Monday before Election Day. An election reform law that stopped the early voting on Friday essentially eliminated three days of early voting. 

President Barack Obama's campaign and Ohio's Democratic Party sued Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted, saying the law was unconstitutional. 

Judge Peter C. Economus of the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Ohio overruled the law today and restored the three voting days. 

Husted said he was reviewing the decision and had nothing to say about it, the Huffington Post reports. 

  • Three days of early voting have been restored in Ohio. How do you usually vote?

    (Voting has been closed for this question)
    • I vote at the polls ON Election Day.
        60 (58%)
    • I vote at the polls BEFORE Election Day.
        10 (9%)
    • I vote by absentee ballot.
        31 (30%)
    • I don't vote.
        1 (0%)
    Total votes: 102
  • Your vote will only count once. This is not a scientific poll. View Results Vote!
Related Topics: Jon Husted, Ohio Early Voting Lawsuit, Ohio Early Voting Restrictions, elections 2012, and obama lawsuit

Rose Petsche

2:55 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012

This a wonderful victory for the democratic process in Ohio.

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James Murphy

9:49 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012

on voting day I will excercise my voting right and leave work early to vote (paid under ohio law) go to my voting place and show my ID (required in strongsville) and vote

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I.M. Wright

6:16 am on Tuesday, September 4, 2012

(paid under ohio law)

What law is this?

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Andrew Dee

9:26 am on Tuesday, September 4, 2012

@I.M. Wright: Ohio Rev. Code § 3599.06

But it's only for salaried employees, apparently. That's an interesting voting inequality, but a battle for another day I suppose.

http://www.findlaw.com/voting-rights-law.html

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I.M. Wright

10:23 am on Tuesday, September 11, 2012

The statute does NOT say anything about pay.

So, just as I thought, no such law exists. James is mixing it up, once again. What he's getting is a benefit from his employer. It's not law he be paid.

Brian Andrews

3:05 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012

Why doesn’t the fact that essentially every registered voter will receive a ballot in the mail, and then have several hundred hours to complete and mail in eliminate the need for any extended voting hours?

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Gail Tanner

3:13 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012

Because many registered voters move and the ballot might not be forwarded to their current address.

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Robert Mihaly

3:54 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but the last I knew, there would not be a statewide mailing of forms to request an absentee ballot. They have been changing everything so much since Husted took office that it's hard to keep up. But the limited hours, cutbacks on in-person early voting hours, and other tricks show that Husted is hardly the unbiased election official that we need. It looks more like he's trying to suppress the vote, if not as blatantly as others in his party. This is a national disgrace, and I hope the republicans pay dearly for it.

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Original Prankster

8:51 am on Sunday, September 2, 2012

@John P.

What does a video on Mormonism possibly have to do with early voting. Please keep your discriminatory liberal rants to yourself.

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bob lang

3:20 pm on Monday, September 3, 2012

why are you so against people having every chance to exercise their right to vote?

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Joseph

10:13 am on Tuesday, September 4, 2012

They don't receive a ballot. They receive a ballot application they can send back to request a ballot.

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lyn

10:36 am on Tuesday, September 4, 2012

Mailing an application OR ballot to ANYONE who has not requested it, is still a waste of taxpayer dollars. If you want the form, request it. Why should the taxpayers be paying to have everyone be sent these? If voting is important to you, then just do it!! Quit making some big controversial issue out of nothing.

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Glinda Smith

11:51 am on Monday, September 10, 2012

A lot people, rightly or wrongly, fear their vote will not be counted if they use the absentee ballot. I am not necessarily one of them, I'm just reporting what people have said to me.

Karen Gillooly

3:10 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012

Sometimes the board of elections has incorrect addresses and/or people have moved so they never get the form. Some people like to actually vote in person - I do - and if I had to work on Tuesday, I would appreciate being able to do so in person as close to that day as possible. I am so pleased by this decision. It is nice when common sense and the law line up.

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Gail Tanner

3:14 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012

I am sooooo glad! The most fundamental right we have - the right to vote - should NEVER be limited.

Adam C. Miller

3:11 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012

I'm going to Eastwood the ballot box!

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Anne

3:30 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012

Judge Peter C. Economus of the U.S. District Court is my new hero.

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Adele Eisner

3:46 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012

How I vote is not the question here. I am gratefully among those who do have transportation to the polls, and a regular address with secure mailbox, unlike many of Cleveland's poor in low cost housing or recently foreclosed upon, for whom mail-in balloting is neither a possible or trustworthy option.
And I share the cultural value of personally experiencing and making sure everyone, no matter the station in life, "counts" in our society, and in the importance and best assurance of accuracy when experiencing casting one's vote and putting it in the ballot box in person.
Mail-in balloting has a higher "fail" rate (not counted) than votes cast in person. It is also more subject to coercive and manipulative tactics. It is not a sufficient or suitable option for those who can't get to the polls on election day or during Sec. Husted's limited weekday early voting hours.
Now, since the Judge's decision even supports Husted's ongoing misguided attempts at a type of strict "uniformity" that would produce unequal access and sacrifice for poor and/or hardworking citizens, it's incumbent on the Secretary to NOT appeal this decision - to not cause even more confusion for November's election, and to allow all Ohioans to vote in the easiest way possible for them.

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Robert Mihaly

11:29 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012

Adele...I believe you might remember me as Rob. I agree, and I would add a question to those posting here to support limiting the hours and days. If Republicans are so hot on choice for everything else (with the obvious exception of the crucial choices many pregnant women face), which are they trying to limit our choices on how and when we vote?

Brian Andrews

4:19 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012

Hello Mr Milhaly:

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Thursday, August 30, 2012

Secretary of State Husted: Ohio Voters to Receive Statewide Absentee Ballot Applications Just After Labor Day

Voters need only complete the application, mail it back & their ballot will be delivered to them

COLUMBUS – Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted today announced that this week more than six million applications to vote absentee in the upcoming Presidential Election will be mailed to Ohio voters, arriving in mailboxes shortly after Labor Day.

http://www.sos.state.oh.us/SOS/mediaCenter/2012/2012-08-30.aspx

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Robert Mihaly

11:43 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012

Well, I'm glad Husted finally made that clear. That was part of the deal he made last spring, but who knows whether his lips were moving. Excuse me for asking, but isn't the Sec. of State supposed to administer the vote...not make it harder?

Concurrently, the Ohio Attorney General was saying he would appeal this decision...another Republican statewide officer dedicated to making sure the "wrong" people have a harder time voting. Someone commented that these people got elected. What can I say? Mistakes happen.

Nora Kancelbaum

8:24 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012

Mr. Andrews:

Please note that it's not the ballots that will be sent out--it's the applications to receive ballots in the mail.

Nora Kancelbaum

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Brian Andrews

10:11 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012

Hello Ms. Kancelbaum, I trust every registered voter,– that is someone who carved out a few moments to register to vote, won’t fine the strain of returning their unsolicited vote by mail application in the affirmative to heavy of a burden to bear. I realize that some may feel put upon once they receive their ballots (without leaving their residence) by the effort and time they will have to devote to completing, sealing and mailing it back. Thankfully the voter will have hundreds of hours to of time to build their strength to complete the ballot.

If all else fails one could vote on Election Day.

Duane Gibson

8:41 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012

"Please note that it's not the ballots that will be sent out--it's the applications to receive ballots in the mail" That's just a little detail, probably sent out by Josh Mandel (Is he even capable of telling the truth anymore?)
A common sense ruling that should not have had to be made.
The GOP is killing themselves. For myself, who is as non-partisan in voting as you can get, the continuing attempts to suppress the vote by Kasich and his goons is not sitting well with myself or others.

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Brian Andrews

9:39 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012

Mr. Gibbons the request for ballot is not a little detail. It is important. Every registered Ohio voter will receive, unsolicited, a request to vote by mail. If they so choose, they will receive a vote by mail ballot. With me so far? Once the ballot arrives said voter will have hundreds of hours before the deadline to complete and mail back her ballot. How much more ballot access can one reasonably expect! By the way, there is that pesky first Tuesday in November voting day as well.

Most folks that self describe themselves as “non-partisan” are unfortunately just ignorant. Your post confirms that. Neither the governor or the State Treasurer have any legal say on the conduct of Ohio's elections. That responsibility falls to our Secretary of State. Ohioans by a majority vote elect our current Sec of State Husted. Of course voters make mistakes Senator Brown being the biggest one currently in office.

Lastly I appreciate your frustration with high fuel prices. It would be nice too have a president who shared your concern. In the meantime, as an “no partisan” voter can I count on you to support fracking and aggressive extraction of the huge natural resources know to be in Ohio?

Why do I feel like I already know the answer?

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Brian Andrews

10:15 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012

Mr. Gibbons the request for ballot is not a little detail. It is important. Every registered Ohio voter will receive, unsolicited, a request to vote by mail. If they so choose, they will receive a vote by mail ballot. With me so far? Once the ballot arrives said voter will have hundreds of hours before the deadline to complete and mail back her ballot. How much more ballot access can one reasonably expect! By the way, there is that pesky first Tuesday in November voting day as well.

Most folks that self describe themselves as “non-partisan” are unfortunately just ignorant. Your post confirms that. Neither the governor or the State Treasurer have any legal say on the conduct of Ohio's elections. That responsibility falls to our Secretary of State. Ohioans by a majority vote elect our current Sec of State Husted. Of course voters make mistakes Senator Brown being the biggest one currently in office.

Lastly I appreciate your frustration with high fuel prices. It would be nice too have a president who shared your concern. In the meantime, as an “no partisan” voter can I count on you to support fracking and aggressive extraction of the huge natural resources know to be in Ohio?

Why do I feel like I already know the answer????

Richard

8:46 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012

In Oregon, you either vote by mail, or you don't vote....since 1998. I don't see a judge telling them it's unconstitutional.

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I.M. Wright

6:18 am on Tuesday, September 4, 2012

This is Ohio, not Oregon.

So, your example is irrelevant.

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Kent4Life

12:28 pm on Tuesday, September 11, 2012

I beg to differ your comment is not irrelevant, All possible options should be given. So being able to Vote by mail is a great way to reach out to those that work there ass off and cant take the time from work to vote. Mr. Wright you should change your name to I.M. Wrong!!!!

Duane Gibson

9:01 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012

Hold on, let me look.........Nope, I don't live in Oregon.
That sort of sounds like the politicians and big oil telling me that gas is a bargain at $4.00/gallon because they pay $9.00/gallon in Europe.....I don't live in Europe!
Do you think it has anything to do with the fact ALL people MUST vote the same way?
What do you think a judge would say if you altered the Oregon process that was clearly aimed at ensuring a portion of voters would have a more onerous process.
Come on, you surely aren't trying to defend this.

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Richard

9:47 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012

Sorry, my point was that voting by mail is not a BAD thing. That is all.

Todd Fisher

10:47 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012

Fantastic! Good news! Voter Suppression foiled... for now!

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Myron Holley

6:54 am on Saturday, September 1, 2012

It gives the multiple voters more time to travel from one district to another. Simple. And yes I have seen people doing it here in Ohio.

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I.M. Wright

6:21 am on Tuesday, September 4, 2012

Once again, Myron proving herself -- even more -- to be the right-wing ignorant that she is by pulling something out of her backside based on what she "saw."
Another great example of the prime demo that makes up today's Republican Party: morons.

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Brian Andrews

1:00 pm on Tuesday, September 11, 2012

Myron, judging by this story you might be on to something:

Democrat withdraws from 1st District congressional race after allegations she voted in two states

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/politics/bs-md-wendy-rosen-withdraws-20120910,0,3764352.story

MZ

7:50 am on Saturday, September 1, 2012

I can't wait for Internet voting when the fraud will be more rampant than it is now and the democrats will never loose again!

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bob lang

3:23 pm on Monday, September 3, 2012

Show me the proof that voter fraud is rampant.

Anthony

10:18 am on Saturday, September 1, 2012

Sorry to see that even one percent don't vote. It is so critical to vote especially at this very important election.

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Cuddy

6:17 pm on Sunday, September 2, 2012

The one percent (according to this poll) that don't vote probably give one of the following excuses: "I'm not interested in politics...I don't have time...I don't like who's running...I'm not registered."

Feel free to add in other excuses anyone else has heard or used.

Plus, I'm still kicking myself for missing the 2002 election.

Duane Gibson

10:24 am on Saturday, September 1, 2012

Brian...Congratulations, in just a few simple paragraphs you have proven and verified what most here are talking about. You managed to confirm that you Tea Party folk think it is your right to mandate how and when anyone else casts a ballot, especially when it proves onerous to voters who do not share your views.
You then go on to somehow tie a reference to Mandel and Kasich into my perceived ignorance of state officials. Laughable at best. (Be sure to hold on to the railing while you stand on your perch) You are right though, the responsibility does fall on Husted, who chose to suppress voting instead of performing the tasks he was elected to do (you know, preserve the integrity of the election process).
Interestingly you attack someone who claims to be non-partisan. Automatically ignorant, Really? Is this out of your membership book at the West Shore Tea Party?
I know your unfettered support for fracking comes from the party line. Truth be known I support additional drilling for oil SO LONG as it is also coupled with research for alternative fuels. We have been oil dependent and at the mercy of the Middle East for 50 years, and have done nothing to gain our own energy independence. Both mainstream parties can claim failure on that note.
Your hard line stance for anything or anybody who has a "R" next to their name is exactly what is wrong with this country. But carry on good soldier, your Tea Party folks are counting on you to carry the torch.

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Robert Mihaly

1:33 pm on Saturday, September 1, 2012

What Brian says or thinks doesn't really matter. It appears his mind is closed to any factual evidence that would disprove his opinions, and his response is to flame anyone who he disagrees with. We live in a state where, thanks to a badly abused apportionment system, Republicans have held the majority of statewide offices (all of them right now) and held majorities in both houses of the legislature for about 100 years. They also hold all but one seat on the Ohio Supreme Court. They are living proof that one-party rule is a bad thing. They've managed to give themselves 12 safe congressional districts of the 16 in Ohio, which also carries their disproportional representation on to Washington. This is a state with roughly equal numbers of Democrats and Republicans. Unfortunately, many of us are no longer represented in Congress or the statehouse by people whose values we share. Even if you agree with your own representative, when they are outnumbered to the extent mine is in the Ohio statehouse, what I want will never happen until we achieve a better balance. I can only hope that the citizen initiative to change the redistricting process gets passed.

Original Prankster

10:41 am on Saturday, September 1, 2012

I am a Republican, but I am totally in favor of early voting. It allows me to decide on a convenient day and time. When I was in Florida I always voted early. This is opposed to when I lived in Illinois and had to go in to work a bit late because the polls opened at 7 and there was already a long line. I look forward to voting early.

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Glinda Smith

11:43 am on Saturday, September 1, 2012

Why not have the polls open the weekend before the election? Why are the Republicans trying to restrict voting hours? This is why - they found out the black churches are taking their members to their polling places in busses on Sunday, after church. That's the real reason Republicans want to stop this weekend voting.

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Ken Adams

12:50 pm on Saturday, September 1, 2012

why change what has worked for hundreds of years? Prior to last election a majority of people didn't care about early voting, wonder why? now they want to keep entitlemt receipents happy with early voting. If people dont care enough to get off of their couch for a few minutes on one day every four years why should we give them extra days

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MZ

12:53 pm on Saturday, September 1, 2012

Ken, be prepared to be called a racist for that post.

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Glinda Smith

12:47 pm on Wednesday, September 5, 2012

There were long lines on past election days and some people, who had to go to work, had to leave those lines without voting. Also remember that a lot of poor people do not have cars in our car dependent society. So tack on several hours of commuting by bus to take the kids to day care and then go to work. And perhaps another bus to get to their polling place. That's why voting was extended.

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lyn

3:33 pm on Wednesday, September 5, 2012

What voting precinct is causing someone to travel several hours to go to vote, even if by bus? And IF they need to using the bus as you say in your example, then they are using it just as you say for their daily method of getting around town, also as they would for getting groceries and everything and everywhere else. So, it is just make the time for it. Why don't people make this a priority if it is important? Just an excuse to blame those bad Republicans. And, if they need someone to watch the kids on a Tuesday, they still need the same care for them on any other day if they don't want to take them with them.
But, the easiest way, is simply vote ABSENTEE - then there is no reason for anyone to feel put out. They can go about their daily lives doing whatever they please, without having to blame anyone for taking something away from them.
Hey, and guess what - I'm voting for some Republicans and Dems, so what does that make me?

The original Bill

2:24 pm on Saturday, September 1, 2012

Ken it's not about that at all. The problem was that your Republican Secretary of State took away weekend voting only in Democratic leaning areas of the state such as Cuyagoga County.. He left it intact in Republican areas. This is the reason the law was ruled unconstitutional. And yes your post smacks of racism.

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Rob Baker

5:50 pm on Saturday, September 1, 2012

How much is appealing the decision going to cost?

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Richard Krumreig

7:26 am on Sunday, September 2, 2012

I believe that everyone that wants to vote should either go to the voting booth on election day or vote by absentee ballot. 30 years ago, when I was in the service, I always manged to vote by absentee ballot. At that time I had to certify that I would be unable to be at the polling place in person on election day. It always amazes me that in countries that have never had a free and open election the people will wait in line for HOURS to vote. Yet, in this country that prides itself on democracy we complain if we have to wait in line for more than a few minutes or if getting to the polling place is inconvenient for us. Election day is election day....we have always voted ON election day. It is your right and your responsibility to vote. Either get to the polls on election day or get an absentee ballot and vote ahead of time to cast your ballot. If it is important to you to vote you will find a way to cast your ballot.

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lyn

8:07 am on Sunday, September 2, 2012

Tom and Richard-
I agree.

Joseph Robert

1:04 pm on Sunday, September 2, 2012

Yeah, justice has been done. Shame on the Republican Party and the Ohio Attorney General for working hard to stop Ohioans from their right to vote. Scoundrels!

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Ray

11:49 am on Monday, September 3, 2012

Yeah shame on Republicans for wanting to restore justice to the voting process! Everyone that I know actually goes to the polls on voting day and casts their vote... I work for a living and still make it my mission to go before or after work no matter what...ON VOTING DAY! Early voting and absentee voting should be for military personnel ONLY! Everyone else should vote on voting day at the polls where your ID can be checked properly! Another great victory from the party that elects officials illegally by using illegal aliens with stolen credentials and dead people to cast ballots... Nicely done!

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bob lang

3:24 pm on Monday, September 3, 2012

show me the proof of your accusations or shut up.

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Glinda Smith

6:00 pm on Tuesday, September 4, 2012

Ray - please provide proof that the Democrats are having illegal aliens with stolen credentials and dead people vote for them.

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Glinda Smith

12:49 pm on Wednesday, September 5, 2012

Where's the proof of these illegal aliens and dead people voting, Ray?

Joseph Robert

12:21 pm on Monday, September 3, 2012

Voter suppression! Republicans will stop at nothing to beat Obama, even if it's illegal or immoral.

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Ray

12:27 pm on Monday, September 3, 2012

It's NOT voter suppression! Vote on voting day! How is that suppressing anything? Your comments make zero sense... Common or otherwise.

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The original Bill

1:33 pm on Monday, September 3, 2012

Ray it IS voter suppression if they only cut out the weekend in person voting in areas that are heavily Democrat yet leave it in place in the heavily Republican areas. Oh how you would be screaming if the Democrats were in control of Ohio's politics and made it harder for Republicans to vote.

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Ray

3:53 pm on Monday, September 3, 2012

@Bill.... Ummm nope sorry try again... And have another glass of liberal smear campaign Kool-aid ... I hear it's a very refreshing drink. I don't know if you realize this, or maybe your are actually Chinese and don't vote here, but in my universe ... Wherever you live, democrats and republicans, independents, and all others, vote in the SAME BUILDING! So what are you talking about? And we do it on VOTING DAY! Enjoy your drink.

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The original Bill

8:49 pm on Monday, September 3, 2012

@Ray: Reading comprehension is not one of your strong areas is it? This story IS about voter suppression. Scroll up to the top of the page and read it again, slowly. Now try and comprehend how the Federal Judge ruled it unconstitutional. Apparently the Federal Government feels as though that little piece of paper written by our founding fathers really means something. Every person is created equal. When your Republican Secretary Of State ruled that weekend voting could only be held in Republican areas it was against the law. That is why the Judge ruled that way and that is what this story is about. Apparently the kool-aid you are drinking is laced with LSD

Richard

1:02 pm on Monday, September 3, 2012

Well said, Ray! I'd like to vote for YOU!

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Duane Gibson

2:08 pm on Monday, September 3, 2012

Ray...really? I am happy that voting so easily fits within your schedule. Never mind those who may work 12 hours a day, or are out of town, or medically incapable, or have transportation hardships. Your attempt to justify outright illegal and immoral behavior by Husted is laughable and shows your bias. As for me, I will vote a week early AS ALWAYS.

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Ray

3:47 pm on Monday, September 3, 2012

Hmm glad you brought that up Duane! My wife works 12 hour shifts nights. My wife is also a democrat... Funny thing is she always was able to stay awake or leave for work early and VOTE on Voting day! Try again....

Duane Gibson

5:30 pm on Monday, September 3, 2012

Not really helping your cause Ray. YOUR wife works 12 hour NIGHT shifts and can leave work early. Maybe we should just have you make all the rules because they fit you. Leave it the way it's always been, right. Using that logic, the pony express will let us know who won weeks later. Man up Ray, it was a blatant attempt to suppress votes. Plain and simple. Funny how this was only a problem in 2 Democrat counties. Husted has a big problem when reelection time comes for him.

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Ray

5:44 pm on Monday, September 3, 2012

Yes you should MAN UP Duane! Because the people on the other shifts also vote just fine on Voting Day... That's DAY shift in case I have to spell it out for you! Again none of them have an issue getting to the poles... Sorry! Enjoy!

Ray

5:45 pm on Monday, September 3, 2012

Polls even gotta love that spell check :)

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MZ

6:08 pm on Monday, September 3, 2012

Vote whenever you want, just make sure everybody is properly ID'd and that the polls are cleansed of dead people.

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Duane Gibson

6:28 pm on Monday, September 3, 2012

Ray you make no sense. Time to let you go...you know the old saying about arguing with an idiot... You still have yet to address those who can not make the polls on that day, but in your little mind they must be Democrats. I feel sorry for you.
MZ is absolutely correct. Picture ID required. ( bet ya didn't see that coming)
Just admit it was wrong instead of spending untold millions appealing it. Maybe Ken Starr will investigate for less than 100 million.

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Richard

6:53 pm on Monday, September 3, 2012

I finally looked up this controversy and find that there is a LOT of misinformation on the subject. Right, wrong or indifferent, HB224 and SB295 did NOT limit voting in only 2 predominantly Democratic counties. (I didn't think that was possible.) It was a change to the Ohio Revised Code, which would change voting in the entire state. Now, you can call it suppression if you want, that can be your interpretation. But to say it was directed at Democrats in 2 counties, (or areas or precincts) is just not true. At least, according to my research it was the entire state of Ohio.

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The original Bill

9:02 pm on Monday, September 3, 2012

Very good Richard. Now look up how John Husted, according to those 2 laws was the tie breaking vote in those Boards of Elections where the 2 Democrat and 2 Republican board members could not agree on having weekend in person voting. Interestingly enough those boards were in Cuyahoga, Wood, Franklin, Summit, Stark and Montgomery Counties. All of which historically vote Democrat. Oh and his tie breaking vote? No weekend voting. So you can whine all you want, the Federal Judge sided with the U.S. Voting Rights act which expressly forbids this kind of suppression. Enough of this I have to get back to my job of going through the death rolls and registering as many dead people as I can to vote for Obama. Next up I will be scouring the Downtown streets looking for homeless people to get them registered Democrat.

TaterSalad

7:22 pm on Monday, September 3, 2012

So if Obama says that Romnyes plan is a loser, why did Barack Obama who says he stands with the auto worker and owned 33% of GM............let the Janesville work go to China?

http://newmediajournal.us/indx.php/item/6664#.UEObSFkx8nE.facebook

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The original Bill

8:53 pm on Monday, September 3, 2012

Hey Tater: Look up when the Janesville plant closed. Obama was not even elected in the middle of 2008. Just another lie from the Republicans since that is all they have to run on. Lies, more lies and even more lies.

lyn

9:07 pm on Monday, September 3, 2012

Get yours butts in to vote on ELECTION DAY. If you need time off - tell your employer if you are working that entire time the polls are open. If you don't want to vote in person on that day, vote absentee. Why the need to change the day that people vote, it has been called ELECTION DAY for a reason for over 150 years - the first Tuesday after the first Monday in November. No surprise, no one hurt. Just like Christmas , Easter, Labor Day, Thanksgiving and all those other days are known, why make a big deal out of this? And it costs the taxpayers money to have election workers at other times. Its all a game to try and manipulate voting. Just leave well enough alone. Just a bunch of lazy crybabies who have nothing better to do than complain.

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Glinda Smith

6:02 pm on Tuesday, September 4, 2012

You've completely forgotten about the long lines in confusion in past presidential elections, haven't you?

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lyn

6:16 pm on Tuesday, September 4, 2012

So you have to stand in line. Too bad. Is it really that bad? You stand in line at Walmart. At the post office. To get your tickets to entertainment events. To get get your hot dog at the stadium. When it comes to voting, oh no - don't put me out!
If you don't like the lines, vote absentee.

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lyn

6:22 pm on Tuesday, September 4, 2012

You stand in line for hours to lose money at the casino. You stand in line to get on a ride at Cedar Point. You stand in line to use the bathroom at concerts.
So, stand in line to vote.

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lyn

7:14 pm on Tuesday, September 4, 2012

And...
You have to wait in a doctors office waiting room.
Hmmm,... I wonder if people have to wait at the unemployment, social services and welfare offices.
You have to wait in line at the bureau of motor vehicles.
You have to wait in line for communion before they haul you off by bus to blindly vote as they tell you to.

And we all have been told every year that we have to wait until next year for a winning team!

So, aren't we all use to waiting or standing in line?

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Glinda Smith

12:52 pm on Wednesday, September 5, 2012

If I leave a line at Walmart to got to work I am not disenfranchised. It's that simple, Lyn. And I do vote on Election Day, but that is because I can. I have never had to work 12 hours shifts and I've always had a car. I'm one of the lucky ones. Not everyone can say that.

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lyn

3:14 pm on Wednesday, September 5, 2012

People never complain about lines or waiting for other things. But voting - oh it must be the Republicans taking away something from them. So, if you still want to complain about having to go to the polls to vote on ANY day, vote ABSENTEE.

Richard

10:23 pm on Monday, September 3, 2012

Bill, You should read more carefully. I am not whining. I am only pointing out that the law change was for the ENTIRE STATE of OHIO! Not a few counties or areas. Sure, the votes may have been from a FEW counties, but NOBODY can change voting laws in PART of OHIO and leave it the unchanged in other parts. I'm not siding with anyone here. I merely pointed out that the change was NOT in certain counties, the law applied to the ENTIRE STATE!

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The original Bill

11:11 pm on Monday, September 3, 2012

OK Richard. What is this story about? You know. The one at the top of the page. The one we are commentating about.

Richard

11:24 pm on Monday, September 3, 2012

Come on Bill, you wanna fight? Just read through ALL the posts like I have and do your research. I merely pointed out that there in false statements on here. The change to the state law was NOT for ONLY Democratic areas while Republican areas stayed the same. The change in the law was STATEWIDE. That is the point I was making. I wasn't even picking sides, simply saying some statements on here were and ARE false. That is all.

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The original Bill

10:38 am on Tuesday, September 4, 2012

Certainly none of my statements were false.

I.M. Wright

6:22 am on Tuesday, September 4, 2012

There was a reason why this was ruled unconstitutional.
But, as usual, people are too lazy/stupid to actually educate themselves as to WHY this was ruled as such.

Stay stupid people...because I love making fun of you. Plus, I'd miss you when I tell you the pump number I'm pre-paying.

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joe ponikarovsky

9:54 am on Tuesday, September 4, 2012

still waiting for them to move election day to the weekend. or make it friday/saturday. makes much more sense than tuesday. why is it on tuesday? because back when voting first started, it took an entire day to get to the polling place (by horse/carriage). nobody was going to travel all day on sunday (most still observing it as the lord's day) so they did so on monday and voted on tuesday. so why the hell do we still do it? tradition. and because nobody has changed it to something more reasonable. like friday/saturday or saturday/sunday. or even just saturday. FAR more people have the weekend off than have tuesdays off or that have absolutely no conflicts with work/school/children/life on a tuesday. move it to a weekend and voter turnout will be through the roof.

(this doesn't absolve us of absentees, however. there are still hospitalized people, college students living out of state, those who travel for a living, etc that still need to vote.)

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lyn

10:27 am on Tuesday, September 4, 2012

I still think Tuesday is just fine - and vote absentee if Tuesday does not work for you. Plenty of people have jobs on the weekends also. Your comment reminds me of someone who once wrote the PD and said they think the Post Office should be open during the evenings and weekends because they had a 9 to 5 job. People are getting too demanding and lazy when fitting their "chores" and "errands" into their daily lives. If it is important enough for you to do, then you will do it.
I don't know why it has come to this, where some feel others need to be at their every beck and call.

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joe ponikarovsky

10:45 am on Tuesday, September 4, 2012

lyn - true, tuesday plus absentee voting is sufficient. i'm simply pointing out that i believe weekend voting would be more convenient for more people than tuesday is. and it's not about me nor is it about people being at my beck and call; just saying that having one or two days that are most appropriate in modern-day life and not based on some outdated tradition makes a lot more sense than extending voting to FOUR days as we currently are.

in short, just because it works for you, doesn't mean it works for everyone. i'm not suggesting we make allowances for everyone and have an entire week of voting or anything; just that we re-examine why we vote when we do and perhaps change this if it makes sense to do so.

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lyn

11:12 am on Tuesday, September 4, 2012

There will be problems with whatever day you select. As someone pointed out, Saturday is bad for those of the Jewish faith. The same will be true if you pick Sunday for many others. That leaves Monday through Friday. So, I'm for leaving well enough alone - or, I should say, dialing back 4 years. This new concept should never have been put in place. Too much manipulation and look what people are now doing. As I keep saying, if it is important for you to vote - you will do it.
Someone in one of these articles wrote about buses taking people from church and other places over to vote. That makes it sound like people are being round up to vote - but are these people going in knowing really what and who they are voting for, or "paying back" those who have corralled these puppets up so they can do their voting on their behalf? And, PLEASE don't throw that racist comment my way. I don't care what color the people are, just who is being used - and it can be poor white folks! None of these people are denied their voting on Tuesday or by absentee - so the politicians should quit playing around with all of this.

The original Bill

10:02 am on Tuesday, September 4, 2012

If it was moved to Saturday nobody of the Jewish faith could vote

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joe ponikarovsky

10:08 am on Tuesday, September 4, 2012

a valid point. still, tuesday just makes no sense any more.

i should note that i'm targeting election day proper with what i wrote above. obviously, if more states had legislation allowing them to vote during the weekend prior to election day, then needing to move election day itself would be unnecessary.

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lyn

10:41 am on Tuesday, September 4, 2012

What citizen does not know when Election Day is?
There is no reason to EVER change it. Sorry if you are inconvenienced because you might want to go to happy hour or shopping or whatever, but just get off your backside and get there. NO ONE is stopping you from voting on THAT ONE day, especially when you are given the option to vote absentee.

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joe ponikarovsky

11:48 am on Tuesday, September 4, 2012

lyn - you're just not getting it. sometimes life gets in the way of things you think are important, whether you like it to or not. it's not about laziness, it's about being flexible enough to allow everyone the opportunity to exercise their right. clearly, you can't understand why anyone would ever have a busy enough life to have an issue with tuesday AND absentee voting.

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MZ

12:43 pm on Tuesday, September 4, 2012

Joe, everyone is "busy." Some just have different priorities. If you made it a priority to vote on Election Day and planned around it, I am sure your world would not come to a screeching halt.

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joe ponikarovsky

1:04 pm on Tuesday, September 4, 2012

MZ - it has nothing to do with me. i don't see why it's so hard for people to imagine a life that cannot find time on a specific day but instead choose to live in a world where keeping your job or nursing your sick kid back to health is deemed as having your priorities out of whack.

it doesn't matter. i've made my viewpoints known. clearly nobody here agrees and that's fine.

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MZ

1:46 pm on Tuesday, September 4, 2012

Joe, your argument is only valid if the straw man you are referring to has no vacation days, and absolutely no help at all that they use on any other day of the year. If that isn't the case, than it absolutely has to do with priorities. Everybody knows when Election Day is. If they choose to take vacation days, or arrange for help on other days, so be it. That is their choice. If you extended the election to encompass the entire month of November, there would still be people saying it is inconvenient for them.

Regardless as I stated before, purge the polls of dead people, require a valid ID and proof of citizenship and make it the full month of November. Just make sure your vote counts once and only once, and that dead people, cartoon characters, etc… don’t dilute my vote and I am ok.

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lyn

2:53 pm on Tuesday, September 4, 2012

I'd like my dog to have a vote - that's my baby! She's not a drain on society and benefits by the decisions our government makes, because if I have more or less money by what the leaders deem I should contribute to take care of those less fortunate - but that includes some not willing to do for themselves that can.
I know that is a ridiculous proposition. But, to me, some of what you people put on the Patch is more outrageous.

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lyn

2:54 pm on Tuesday, September 4, 2012

Joe-
You said " clearly, you can't understand why anyone would ever have a busy enough life to have an issue with tuesday AND absentee voting." Then, if you are sooooo busy, going absentee is the easiest way to vote, even for the laziest of voters. This is such a nonissue. Only an issue for those who want to manipulate the voting system or just like to be confrontational.

Glinda Smith

12:44 pm on Wednesday, September 5, 2012

I love reading the comments of all the privileged people yakking about how easy it is to vote on one day. These are all people who have jobs that allow them the time to do so and very importantly CARS. A lot of poor people do not have cars in our car dependent society. They get around by bus, try that sometime for ALL of your needs. That means taking the children to day care - on the bus. Then taking the bus to work. Then, if it is election day, trying to find the time to take the bus to their polling place. You try that sometime and tell me how it works for you.

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lyn

3:44 pm on Wednesday, September 5, 2012

Isn't it amazing that this wasn't an issue until recently, yet many, many years ago there were not the number of cars that there are today. People relied on public transportation much more in the past than they do now, yet you are using that as a reason to have other days. Keep trying for a valid reason. But remember, we have ABSENTEE, so there is no excuse for being too busy, lack of transportation, long lines, or laziness.

Richard Ian Tracy

8:17 pm on Wednesday, September 5, 2012

I cannot believe anyone is debating ACCESS TO VOTING. America is a democracy, right?

Every citizen has the right to cast his/her ONE vote -- equal say -- equal access -- one time! 24 hours or a whole week -- what does it matter?

How is it harming you, the process or democracy?

To argue against a greater opportunity for everyone to cast their one vote is to argue against democracy.

And I certainly agree here, as with most things on PATCH, most people cannot see beyond the end of their noses -- and they certainly do NOT acknowledge their invisible knapsacks of privilege. Absolutely clueless! You all do realise that everyone is not just like you and their lives don't resemble yours at all, right? Your life, your way of thinking, your mode of being -- I couldn't blame anyone for screaming at their computer screens: "IT'S NOT ALL ABOUT YOU, HONEY!"

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lyn

8:27 pm on Wednesday, September 5, 2012

Yep! As you said "ONE vote -- equal say -- equal access -- one time" - that being the first Tuesday following the first Monday in November - or ABSENTEE, and then no one has been denied. Then, no harm to any one - as you asked, "how is it harming you". BECAUSE it is costing the taxpayers unneeded taxdollars otherwise due to the laziness of others. And they are being lazy by demanding other voting times.
And I feel like I keep having to yell at my screen "don't you get it yet?"

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MZ

8:35 pm on Wednesday, September 5, 2012

America isn't a Democracy. Democracy is mob rule, just ask those Occupy folks. "THIS IS WHAT DEMCRACY LOOKS LIKE!"

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Richard Ian Tracy

8:43 pm on Wednesday, September 5, 2012

Aren't the majority of people "working" at polling stations wearing little badges that read VOLUNTEER? As in: "not paid" (by taxes or any other funding).

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James Murphy

8:56 pm on Wednesday, September 5, 2012

majority are volunteer ....but who pays the paid staff (working overtime rate) at all these sites

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lyn

6:54 am on Thursday, September 6, 2012

Have you ever needed to ask those volunteers a question? Have you ever needed help with anything at your polling place? If so, you know those volunteers do help out, but do the most basic duties and other paid employees are also there and needed.

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Glinda Smith

7:30 pm on Thursday, September 6, 2012

Richard - lyn could care less about anyone else. Her entire ethos is ME ME ME MINE MINE MINE!!!

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lyn

7:40 pm on Thursday, September 6, 2012

Glinda-
Everyone has the ability to vote absentee. That is about everyone. Not you or me. Get over it.

John McMillan

9:18 pm on Wednesday, September 5, 2012

Yes, she doesn't know what she's talking about, as usual. She just thinks EVERYONE is lazy, as she has said MANY MANY times. I'm really sick of hearing that broken record. I agree with Richard above, why is ANYONE debating access to voting? People should be given as many chances as needed to vote, there is no harm done in it. I'm all for it. Personally, I have to work all day Tuesday, and would have to take a bus to my polling place, so I am voting absentee. But whatever works for every person...as long as they are able to vote!

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lyn

6:46 am on Thursday, September 6, 2012

No - not everyone is lazy. Just some of those who won't get off their butts and vote on THEE Election Day or else bother to get an ABSENTEE ballot, as you are doing. But look at everything else people will do with their time - and that includes lots of waiting in lines for other things.
So, people, maybe, get your priorities in order. If voting is important to you, you can EASILY do it because voting by ABSENTEE is always an option, and the easiest.
And this comment comes from someone who knows what they are talking about -and is almost always right! See, I did say ALMOST always - but in this case - I AM RIGHT!

Adele Eisner

8:22 pm on Sunday, September 9, 2012

I'm deeply saddened to view this basest level of comment here on Patch. Traditionally comments here have demonstrated a sophisticated level of focused human thought and productive exchange based on facts.
But here, it's clear that some of the most rabid speakers are fact-averse, and in "lyn's" words - and as clearly demonstrated by herself - they are too "lazy" to "get their butts up" from their computer chairs and out of the echo chamber of their own fear-hate-closed minds and highly limited perceptions, fed by similarly mongering "news" and like groups, which then might enable them to find supportable specifics worth sharing before speaking, and especially before just repeating their tunnel-vision view mostly hurled against all minorities and the poor, while yelling they're "RIGHT!"

Take “Ray” for example, another person not willing put his name to his offerings, about absentee and early in-person absentee voting, he says “Another great victory from the party that elects officials illegally by using illegal aliens with stolen credentials and dead people to cast ballots...”
Ray, “no-excuse absentee voting” was made law by Ohio’s 126th General Assembly in 2006, which held a GOP majority in both houses (and with a GOP Secretary of State.) Though the vote was bipartisan, it was a GOP-passed and implemented law.

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Adele Eisner

8:24 pm on Sunday, September 9, 2012

And regarding the proofs you were asked for regarding all your “illegals’ and “illegallies” but you ignored, I understand why. I’ve closely observed Cuyahoga elections since 2005, from mandated strict verification processes before and during elections, through the final counting weeks afterwards, and know you won’t be able to find such proofs. (Just slingin’ what you heard, y’know.)

Or to “lyn”, who while using the most dangerous type of “lazy” to the growth of all humanity - laziness of thought/abdication of truth to own biases – you profess to know what is easy and best for everyone else, especially the “any-color poor” to conduct their lives (though with whom you’ve apparently had minimal meaningful contact.)
Did you know that in 2008, the entire cost of processing the thousands of early-in-person voters (who stood and stayed in long lines at the board, unlike “errands” at WalMart) was only $2.28 per voter – a cost that’s destined to be exceeded this year for mail-in ABSENTEE (sic) voting, when considering the mandated first class postage for sending out each many-issue, multi-page ballot (not counted, but also a cost from voters sending ballots back in) plus all the extra personnel (30-150 people, as needed for months) to verify, send each correct ballot, monitor, receive and verify incoming ballots.

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Adele Eisner

8:27 pm on Sunday, September 9, 2012

So even should the Constitution prevail in this case after Husted spends thousands more of your dollars trying to keep the GOP-desired discriminatory, unequal voting field to better assure a win (albeit cheated) you and your dog can rest assured that it won’t be those “lazy people” who will somehow be stealing his dog food from your cupboards. In any case, the only waster of your tax revenue, and waster of democracy, will be Husted.
Or to the person who said he actually checked out HB224, and SB295 and could find nothing in there about these three days of early in person voting, (previously largely used by African-Americans for many good cultural and necessity reasons,) which the Republican dominated legislature was determined to yank from existence between their March primary and this presidential election. You forgot to look at the beginning, HB194, and then follow the facts. HB194 was the bill, that contained for instance, a shortened absentee period, allowance for poll workers to show voters (even selectively) to the wrong precinct so their votes wouldn’t count, mandated far more crowding at polling locations in urban areas than in non-urban, and conveniently, the removal of the last three days of in-person absentee voting just in time for this election. The legislature jammed through HB194, ignoring all bipartisan feedback about their discrimination.

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lyn

10:01 am on Monday, September 10, 2012

Adele-
So, where I vote in Strongsville, our precinct ALWAYS has a MUCH longer line than ANY other in our ward. So, when I look at those other lines that are much shorter, and I am standing in the line that goes to the door, based on all you are saying, I should feel somehow discriminated against. And, all this time I thought it was just a problem that needed to be corrected.
And that poor acquaintance of mine who was at the polls the same time I was last year. She had recently moved and had been sent back and forth between her old and new polling places. WOW! We both thought they just didn't know where she was suppose to vote. But, once again, based on what you are saying, that upper middle class lady should now feel discriminated against, instead of feeling like they were wasting her time. But, she still voted!

Adele Eisner

8:30 pm on Sunday, September 9, 2012

A citizens’ referendum was started shortly after Kasich signed 194, which garnered over 330,000 verified signatures in a short time to qualify the referendum for a citizens’ vote on the November ballot.

However, fearing the referendum’s freezing the ban on those last 3 days of voting and its effect for this election, the GOP-dominated legislature also then proceeded to, right after the referendum effort started, jam through HB224, which they said was only for military voters. But right before the vote, they word-twisted to sneak back in the 3-day ban (except for active military) into that long bill.
Then still afraid that too many people from all parties would actually see them blatantly taking away voters rights if HB194 actually got on the ballot, they then with SB295 said they were totally repealing HB194 before it went to a vote of the people (to many, still an unprecedented and highly legally questionable act.) So they jammed SB295 through too, and only days before their rushed vote, did many lawyers after combing through all recently rushed bills notice their sleight of hand, and sneaky misrepresentations, and the unequal franchise they’d created in HB224 - not taking the repeal back to pre-HB194 status.

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Adele Eisner

8:37 pm on Sunday, September 9, 2012

That’s what’s at the core of this suit and Judge Economus’s Constitutionally promised equal protection decision.

The banning of all other previously available weekend voting options for this election, came from Husted himself, through his “tie-breaking” decree, under the guise of “uniformity,” but with a method that was self-contradictory. He continued marching to his party’s orders - and also there used lots of our tax money - to create and sell a host of unjustifiable cover stories, to try to further his own political aspirations.

No matter how one cuts it, that devised inequality and takings away, all together is called voter suppression.

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Adele Eisner

8:47 pm on Sunday, September 9, 2012

It’s been reported that GOP operatives have calculated that to win Romney needs 61% of the white vote. So it’s no surprise that they and their uber-funded PACS want to amplify the already unresolved and unsupported fears of many - as racism is certainly not dead but often just seethes under the surface - thus they plant as many unsupported generalized aspersions at minorities and the poor as possible.

I’m deeply saddened that so many here, no matter how one chooses to vote based on the actual thought about actual issues and the future of this country, have stopped checking out broad reality outside their own echo chambers, have stopped thinking, have not risen above the toxic rot and hate, and have instead have bought into believing that it’s OK for themselves to also sling whatever lies and toxic hate about others they want. This is not only devastating to the quality of the majority vote, moreso it's devastating to the promise of more peaceful transformation of humanity into the best we can be together, not the worst - driven only by knee jerk reptilian fears.

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lyn

9:35 am on Monday, September 10, 2012

Regarding this illogical debate created by a few, I have
No fears.
No hatred.
No racism.

I doubt you are sad - you are an angry, bitter person who appears to support any position that is ANTI-GOP. You are just as bad as those who said from Obama's beginning that they hope he fails.

What I am is intolerant of people like you who can't think for themselves, logically.

lyn

9:18 am on Monday, September 10, 2012

Adele-
Hey, I don't care what either party stands for. And the only cable "news" channel I will put on is CNN, I'm sure you will find a bias there. But I may watch both MSNBC and FOX after the convention speeches or debates just to see how each will put their spin on them. Unlike you, I believe in some of both parties positions - and against some. My ballot is a combination of votes for people from both parties - so much so that one would probably not be able to peg me into either party. So, back off.
You can run at the mouth against the GOP, but I could care less.
I still think everyone knows when ELECTION DAY is and keep it as one day. If you can't get to the polls because of legitimate reasons OR because you are too lazy to get off your butt and get there that day, VOTE ABSENTEE. And, applications for voting absentee should only be sent to those requesting it.
It really doesn't matter your reasons for voting either way! I take issue with people trying to manipulate the vote.
And, you also probably have a problem with people showing proof of who they are when voting. If you do, then that really shows you just tie your beliefs along party lines. Think for yourself, because THAT should not even be a problem. Are you Adele Eisener - please show proof before voting. Easy. Several ways to do that. Or, just be more confrontational and whine some more about nonsense. Otherwise, what is to keep me from walking in and voting as every person on my street?

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Glinda Smith

11:53 am on Monday, September 10, 2012

A lot of black people are suspicious of absentee ballots. They don't believe their vote will be counted.

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lyn

12:28 pm on Monday, September 10, 2012

Glinda-
I can understand people being suspicious about matters regarding this topic.
But, that is not tangible. Just as you have been asking posters to provide proof for what they say, you should disregard a gut feeling about something as opposed to reality. A gut feeling doesn't mean that an absentee vote will not be counted. The same accusation could be made about when you are done voting at the polls - where are they really putting my ballot, will they really count it? A suspicion is not a reason to disregard the fact that absentee voting is an easy, valid alternative. At some point you have to accept that the system will probably work as it is suppose to. To think differently is being paranoid and living a life where you think people are out to get you, or have an agenda bigger than you. Actually, we are all just little pawns in life and at the end of the day, the next person goes to bed without even giving you a second thought. But, I am not talking about real "causes", just what people say or think. They have more important things going on in their lives to worry about something petty. Like when someone gossips - it fills the void, but unless they are truly evil and out to do harm, they won't even be thinking about you 2 hours later. Some other topic will always take its place.
Just a little rambling....

Hay Farmer

2:38 pm on Monday, September 10, 2012

VETERANS be aware that Ryan has cut VA benefits and the Senate has voted it through. Congressional District #1 Republican Candidate Randy Altschuler and a few other Republican candidates around the nation are needed to pass this bill in the House in the next session. They only need a hand full of seats to get it done. Republican candidates, like Altschuler, are the key link. Read the NY Times today. Take your time, it's a bit complicated, which is what Romney and Ryan hoped for, so us veterans wouldn't be able to understand it. It comes down to one thing and one thing only: Either Romney and Ryan tell us veterans "There are NO CUTS in the Ryan Budget to VA benefits" or they're lying to us. The Times and Congressional Budget Office make it clear...HUGE CUTS have been made. Read the article: http://campaignstops.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/09/edsall-the-ryan-sinkhole/?nl=opinion&emc=edit_ty_20120910

This is a game changer for this Republican. My family has many veterans and cutting their benefits is like the enemy cutting their throats. I never thought the Republicans would do this to us, but they have. It's already been voted upon in the Senate, but thanks to Democrats, it was stopped in the House. Read the Times and be careful voting for Republicans...they do not support veterans like they say they do and the proof is in their work in 2012.

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lyn

5:39 pm on Monday, September 10, 2012

Hay-
You put a link on there calling it an article, but it is from The New York Times OPINION PAGE:
http://campaignstops.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/09/edsall-the-ryan-sinkhole/
and, unless I read it twice too fast, this comment does not contain what you wrote. Is it from someone's comment on this guys opinion?
Anyway, I don't like a lot of what Ryan wants to do. But I do believe in 2 things-
Major NECESSARY cuts are needed
The wealthier should pay a little more in taxes - but not to the point of penalizing them for successes. There should be an increased tiered taxing level at beginning at $100,000 and revisit raising taxes on investment income at higher levels - higher levels because the little people also receive a break on some dividend income, and why not, since those distributions from companies are like profits that have already been taxed.

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lyn

9:32 am on Tuesday, September 11, 2012

"Nurse Ratchet" has been posting this on other Patch networks (in Michigan, New York,...).
"Hay Farmer" also - but I think Patch managed to delete some of those.
Seems like these are coming from a group with an agenda rather than regular posters.

Anyway, I will not follow their links.
The actual OPINION did not really contain what they said and is here:
http://campaignstops.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/09/edsall-the-ryan-sinkhole/
It is a blog, as it says, OPINION - not an article as they want you to believe.

Nathaniel Brooks

3:14 pm on Monday, September 10, 2012

Lyn is from strongsville, but comes here to spew her filth. They're a real smart bunch out in strongsville, that's why Rockefeller chose to conduct his business there. No, wait that was Cleveland wasn't it. Voting for Romney/Ryan is like a chicken voting for Colonel Snaders. Lyn no one cares what people out in strongsville think lol, I know I don't.

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lyn

4:26 pm on Monday, September 10, 2012

nAt old boy-
This article was also on theStrongsville Patch and all are free to comment.
But, from now on - when you see my name - just ignore my comments, seeing as you are incapable of caring about other opinions.
FYI - I have a couple of concerns wiht Romney/Ryan. But many more with Obama - with him, we have his record as a pres to come to our own conclusions.

Nathaniel Brooks

3:16 pm on Monday, September 10, 2012

Also, hay farmer is right. The Republicans are trying to stick it to Veterans. For shame. They fight your wars and then you give them the shaft, patriotism at its best.

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Richard

10:45 am on Tuesday, September 11, 2012

Let's see if memory serves me correctly. Reagan built UP the military after Carter tore it down. Then Bush built it back up after Clinton tore it down. So whenever the next Republican gets elected, he will have to build it up from Obama tearing it down. Anyone else see a pattern here???

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Joseph Robert

10:47 am on Tuesday, September 11, 2012

HOW MUCH MONEY DID YOU EARN YESTERDAY?

Mitt Romney made $57,260 each and every day of 2011.

And he chose to open secret bank accounts in well-known tax havens including Bermuda, the Cayman Islands and other foreign countries to bet against America.

Help Mitt Romney and his BILLIONAIRE friends make millions more in the future.

Vote Romney-Ryan. Screw the MIDDLE CLASS!

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James Murphy

10:53 am on Tuesday, September 11, 2012

joe that tells me that mitt knows how to run a company /country and budget his money >>>>> here is an example of how obama budgets his money http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/08/20/team-obama-spent-more-than-it-raised-in-july-falls-behind-romney-in-cash-on-hand/

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lyn

11:06 am on Tuesday, September 11, 2012

JR-
If they are "secret" bank accounts, who told you?
If he put money someplace else, why?

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MZ

12:22 pm on Tuesday, September 11, 2012

I hate successful people! I want everyone on food stamps. Everyone should have equal outcomes managed by the federal government. It isn't fair that someone has more than me. Rich people didn't earn their money, they stole it from the poor.

Ken Adams

11:08 pm on Saturday, September 15, 2012

I remember one person interviewed who registered to vote 96 times last election. I guess the system really does work.

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