School Board Plans to Look for Substitute Teachers to Work in Case of a Strike
Update: The union said they have not indicated any plans to strike.
The Brecksville-Broadview Heights City School District today announced its intentions to look for substitute teachers who could work in the event of a possible strike.
According to a press release from the district, the school board feels that the teachers union has indicated that a strike is possible if a contract agreement is not reached by the start of school.
Superintendent Scot Prebles said in the release that the district will be advertising for substitute teachers in local newspapers and online. Applications can be submitted online.
David Tryon, president of the board, said in the release that only the Brecksville-Broadview Heights Education Association can cause a work stoppage. The board cannot “lockout” the teachers from their classrooms, a fear that was expressed by the teachers earlier this month.
As of June 8, the union had not taken out a strike authorization, but President Bonnie Monteleone said the union had been talking to members about their rights. In a press release sent out by the union on Thursday, Crisis Chair Ben Lesh stated that the association is committed to the bargaining process, but that the board’s recent actions seem to be forcing members into a strike.
Update, 1:55 p.m. According to a press release sent by the association on Friday, they have not indicated that they have plans to strike. A longer update can be found below.
Late on Wednesday, the school board announced that it was handing the contract negotiations over to a federal mediator. The contracts for the teacher and staff unions expire on June 30. Tryon said in an email that the board will honor the previous contract, including pay increases, until a new one is approved. He added that the board hopes the negotiations will move quickly and effectively with a mediator and noted that the mediator cannot force a contract on either party.
“As always, our goal is quality education, fiscal responsibility and fairness to the employees,” Tryon said in the email.
The negotiations have been the source of much contention during the past few months. The board decided early on to make the proposals public—a decision that the union questions—and teachers have been turning out in large numbers at the board meetings to show their displeasure.
Update, 1:10 p.m.
Tryon said the district will also draw on existing substitute teachers if there is a strike, but those teachers are welcome to reapply to make sure they are on the list. The board's goal is to ensure that they have a group of qualified teachers if they are needed.
Update, 1:55 p.m.
The Brecksville-Broadview Heights Education Association has issued a press release in response to the board’s announcement. According to the release, the association has not indicated that they have plans to strike. The association is “committed to reaching a fair and equitable agreement,” according to the release.
The association is disappointed in the board’s decision, and the release called the decision “reckless,” and “terribly detrimental to the best interests of the students and parents.”
Nick Sedivy
1:50 pm on Friday, June 29, 2012
From my understanding the BOE has already contracted Huffmaster's, a strike replacement service. This is an interesting move on the Board's part.
Mark B.
5:29 pm on Friday, June 29, 2012
Dave Tyron is the entire cause of this problem. He has not been truthful with the public. The people of Brecksville should be cautious of everything that he said, they have not even attempted to negotiate the agreement. He puts his spin on everything.
Rachel Abbey McCafferty
6:39 pm on Friday, June 29, 2012
Please change your user name—we don't allow aliases: http://brecksville.patch.com/terms
Tom Tucker
11:04 am on Monday, July 2, 2012
Wow. You're such a tough guy calling out a person -- by name -- while hiding behind your alias of "Brecksville Resident".
Perhaps you can change your alias to "Freaking Coward."
Jason Radak
11:49 am on Monday, July 2, 2012
Since negotiations are held in private and those involved aren't supposed to speak about what goes on in the meetings, not sure ow you can draw this conclusion.
Michael J. Ziegler
6:47 pm on Friday, June 29, 2012
As the Board member who is on the negotiating team for the Board, I can assure everyone that we ARE trying to negotiate to reach a new agreement. We are not 'spinning' anything, we are trying to reach an agreement that works for our students, our teachers, and our taxpayers.
Mike Ziegler, BBHCSD Board Member
Nancy Hantl
8:15 am on Saturday, June 30, 2012
We applaud this B.O.E. for their fiscally responsible contract proposal during these negotiations. In our opinion the Union is being inflexible and continues to want salaries/pension/perks as usual which is not sustainable nor "FAIR" in this economy. Many people agree there are a super abundant amount of unemployed qualified teachers who would jump to give our students an excellent education & be grateful for a reasonable compensation package. The Board should not be intimidated of a potential teacher's strike!
Charles and Nancy Hantl, Residents
Breck Teacher
11:18 am on Saturday, June 30, 2012
To quote a favorite congressman of mine, Rep. Wilson once said, "You Lie!" In negotiations there is give and take. You are only trying to take. In negotiations, there are changes in proposals. You haven't made one change in your proposal. Everyone knows that calling an impasse and then asking for a mediator is just your next step so that you can try to impose your contract on the teachers. You and your little posse have lied and spun everything thus far and I see no change in the future.
Breck Teacher
11:20 am on Saturday, June 30, 2012
In addition, your failure to answer legitimate questions about parts of your proposal is most telling. How will removing special ed. teachers from inclusion classrooms save the district money? It won't but it will hurt education for both special and regular ed. students in those classes. How will reducing planning time save money? It won't, but it will make it harder for teachers to deliver quality lessons to their students and also will make it harder for students to get extra help when they need it. I don't know what happened to you growing up, but your vendetta against teachers is being exposed by your actions and your words.
Rick Putka
1:48 pm on Saturday, June 30, 2012
BBCSD does not have be the third highest average teacher salary out of 611 school districts in Ohio to attract quality teachers because of the excellent work conditions and location of the district. I have a personal friend who makes $90,000 in an inner ring suburban school district who would gladly take a pay cut to come to BBCSD but she said there are very few, if any opennings because BBCSD has a very low turnover rate.
Tom Tucker
11:07 am on Monday, July 2, 2012
Rick,
I suggest you crack open a dictionary and look up the meaning of the word "average." People who like to use "averages" to (try to) make a point fail.
Rachel Abbey McCafferty
11:54 am on Saturday, June 30, 2012
Hi everyone—a healthy discussion is appreciated on Patch, but we ask that people use their real names. Here's our Terms of Use: http://brecksville.patch.com/terms
Rebecca
5:33 pm on Saturday, June 30, 2012
Just a note to say I and many other families support the teachers, and we remain appalled by the behavior of the school board.
Jeff Luce
11:35 pm on Saturday, June 30, 2012
I'm incredibly sick & tired of reading about the "third highest average teacher salary" in Ohio comment. Through levy failures and educational cutbacks, we have lost our young teachers. What happens to an average of a group of data when the lowest numbers are removed? Of course, it shoots up. If you really want to look at the BBH situation fairly, consider that we have teachers in my department (high school math) who have had over 170 students on their rosters. My personal high has been 178. Show me a high school another district that even comes close to that. We teach 6 classes at the high school level, while most HS teachers in Northeast Ohio only have 5. Research the numbers. A few years ago, I did a comparison of workloads with Solon. Our average load at the high school level in math was 158 students per teacher. Solon's was 99. I picked their district randomly because we were being compared with them frequently. Other districts could have been used to make my point even more effectively.
So--in summary--we have been losing colleagues we care about, taking pay freezes and insurance concessions, and working so hard that many of us don't even eat lunch at work anymore or even socialize with each other. All the while, we watch our state ranking in average pay climb the charts and get to listen to people complain about how overpaid we are and how unreasonable we're being. A 3-year pay freeze with a 5% increase in medical is unreasonable? Take a look around!
Dathan Cole
7:10 am on Sunday, July 1, 2012
In 2010-2011 I had my personal high in student load, 184. I have never had fewer than 146, and typically average around 160.
Melanie Hauer
9:08 am on Monday, July 2, 2012
I'm also tired of hearing about the high teacher salaries. The number that is important to me is the overall cost per student - which is quite low. Still, that doesn't change the fact that we're running huge deficits. With three new money levy failures in a row, I sincerely doubt we can pass one without reducing personnel expenditures first.
David Tryon
12:10 am on Sunday, July 1, 2012
1. To the anonymous posters: If you are going to insult me, at least have the courage to identify yourself. 2. The District will run out of money in less than two years. The Board values the teachers, but pure economics means that changes have to be made. 3. Facts: >Before school ended at least one teacher told her entire class that they were going to strike. >A school bus driver told his passengers that they are going to strike. >At the end of the school year, many of the teachers took all their personal belongings from classrooms for the first time ever, suggesting that they would not be returning because of a strike. >The Union's crisis manager, whom I personally respect, stated that they may be "forced" to strike. (Of course the Board cannot force the Union to strike or prevent it from striking, but that statement suggests at least the possibility of a strike.) Accordingly, the Board believes that it is prudent to prepare for what the Union's own members are telling the community. Nevertheless, the Board will continue to negotiate in good faith with the Unions in hopes that an agreement can be reached and that the Union will not choose to strike. The Board appreciates all the feedback, even if some is critical. Dave Tryon, Board President.
Jeff Luce
12:54 am on Sunday, July 1, 2012
If a new teacher were to be hired tomorrow under the Board's proposal, that individual would lose upwards of HALF A MILLION DOLLARS over the course of a 35-year teaching career. ($542,600 to be more precise--and that's in salary only, not including medical benefits and the like.) The fact that I'm comparing this with a 3-year zero proposal makes this figure all the more surreal.
Obviously, in the Board's defense, a dollar today is worth more than a dollar tomorrow. Taking the Net Present Value (NPV) of all these future cash flows and discounting them at 3% means that the Board's proposal still takes $312,000 in today's money out of the pocket of any new hire. Would Rick's teacher friend trade $90,000 to come to BBH for between $41,100 and $51,800 (based on being placed on Step 5 of the Board's new scale--which is a typical hiring practice--with the quoted range being subject to his/her level of continuing education). I'm thinking NO.
Jeff Luce
12:57 am on Sunday, July 1, 2012
Oops--that $312,000 figure is a bit off. It should be $313,973. My bad...
Kelly Sedivy
3:45 am on Sunday, July 1, 2012
I am extremely disappointed at how the Board is handling the "negotiations". I agree with the Breck teacher that says taking the Special Ed teacher out of inclusion classrooms will hurt both regular & special ed students. Why is this in the contract Mr. Tryon? Mr. Luce is absolutely correct in saying that we have lost our lowest paid teachers because of expense reductions and levy failures. Just to emphasize his point, when we lose the less experienced & lower paid teachers the average teacher salary goes up. AND SO WHAT? I want my child to have an EXPERIENCED well paid professional with a Masters degree. I don't want a B/C, middle of the road graduate to teach my child. I want a teacher that graduated at the top of their class. WHY? Because I live in Brecksville and graduated from BBHHS. Our motto is..."where fine education is a heritage". I have heard that some have commented that if a teacher can afford to live in our district they are making too much money. Who are these people? Who are they to say that a teacher should not be able to afford to live in Brecksville. This needs to end now. I want to see both sides willing to negotiate. The teachers are willing to give, why isn't the Board? It is time for a new money levy. Negotiate a settlement and work together to pass a levy - if the Board would support a new money levy Mr. Tryon, Mr. Dosen, Mr. Ziegler, it would pass. Other communities value their teachers, why doesn't ours? GBED Get Busy END Disagreement!
Dathan Cole
7:02 am on Sunday, July 1, 2012
BBHCSD is 22nd out of 31 districts in Cuyahoga County in average per pupil expenditures, and in the bottom third of Cuyahoga County voted and effective property tax rates. (Check for yourself: http://ode.legislature.state.oh.us/ ; http://treasurer.cuyahogacounty.us/pdf_treasurer/en-US/taxesbydistrict/2011_ResidentialRates.pdf) It is much more appropriate to compare average per pupil expenditures than average salaries when making judgements since it captures a broader picture and reflects both past board stewardship and successful collaboration with employees to control costs. I was on the district's health insurance committee when BEA and BOSS were instrumental in forming a consortium of schools to save our district hundreds of thousands of dollars each year in insurance costs. Some of us have been around long enough to remember when the state was actually looking at BBHCSD per pupil expenditures as "the number" for per pupil spending across the state because of our performance for the dollar. Despite this history of successful collaboration and interest-based bargaining for negotiations, the current board elected to use traditional bargaining. It begs the question, why?
Matt
9:51 am on Sunday, July 1, 2012
Here is where Mr. Tryon and the rest of the Board mislead the public. He keeps insisting that the Board cannot force a strike. What he fails to tell you, however, is that the Board can implement a contract. This is the Board's plan, watch it unfold and then when a strike happens the Board will place the blame on the teachers. When the Board implements a contract they end negotiations and force the teachers to work under their imposed terms. This would force a strike, and although the Board will blame this on the teachers it will essentially be the Board's blame for forcing the union in a corner. This has been the Board's MO from day one. 1. The publish a Web site with the bargaining proposals linked. 2. They hire a Board attorney who they have already paid over $200,000 (about 4 teachers salaries). This attorney is known in creating similar labor chaos all across the state. The $200,000 they have paid him in four months would equal close to a million if spread out over a year. 3. They declare impasse on contract negotiations early in the process. This is the first step in implementing a contract (remember this would force a strike). 4. They begin to advertise for replacement services for teachers because they know they are going to implement a contract which would force a strike. Their plan is playing out perfectly. Nice try Mr. Tryon, your aren't fooling everyone.
Tom Johnson
10:20 am on Sunday, July 1, 2012
Well put Matt. Most residents do not understand what it taking place and are blaming the teachers,when all the facts are not truly known. There is so much information that the board is not telling the public and is keeping behind closed doors, not so transparent. The only information they put out there favors the BOE. From my understanding, negotiations means to go back and forth. This has not taken place. It's one sided. There has been no counter offer from the board. To my knowledge, there has never been a federal mediator brought to Brecksville to work out a contract. Both parties have always negotiated in good faith and come to a conclusion. This has been the board MO since day one and they are wasting and lining their friends and colleague pocket books with our money. They are in the process of ruining this community and it's great educational reputation. The new board members have no educational experience and it shows. The board contacted Huffmasters long before they just made this public. It does not seem like they are trying to work anything out. It would be like a Husband signing up for Match.com, long before he leaves his wife. Save the taxpayer money- ditch the lawyers -sit down and work it out!
Jim Snitil
11:00 am on Sunday, July 1, 2012
As a parent and resident of Broadview Hts., I attended my first board meeting last week and was appalled by the condescending and unprofessional manner demonstrated by the board. The eye rolling, the smirking and superior attitude from the board president and his minions makes me wonder what the voters who put these people in there were thinking. Talking down to the public, especially when the former and current board is responsible for this mess, isn't going to lead to an effective resolution to this impasse. As things progress, it is becoming apparent that the board has engineered this crisis and despite the comments about valuing quality, students, and employees, nothing could be further from the truth.
Sue R.
12:59 pm on Sunday, July 1, 2012
We must have attended two different meetings. I thought the board did a good job of diplomoacy and decorum under the circumstances. On the other hand, did you not think it unprofessional and completely rude the way the teachers/public acted? Too bad it came to this for you to attend your first meeting. If more of the public would attend on a regular basis, they would have a chance to give their input monthly. Instead, this meeting happens once a year (this year twice) where people come and yell, jeer, boo, etc. If a student acted this way in the classroom, they would be given a detention. Instead, we have their teachers and parents coming out and acting very unprofessional and downright rude. There is a process to express your opinion. That works except when people fall into the "mob mentality" and act unlike they do at any other time. It is very counterproductive. How would you have acted up at the table thrown into a similar situation? 400 to 6. Considering the situation, I applaud the board for the their restraint, patience and respect for the audience.
Bill
6:10 pm on Sunday, July 1, 2012
I came to the recent school board meeting to learn. I will admit that I generally leave the business of running the school system to those elected and paid to do so. I was stunned at the turnout but even more stunned at Mr. Tryon’s decision to dismiss the obvious desire of the people to be involved with the current situation. There is no question but that he tried to move forward in the standard board room and used the legal limits of the space as a tool to avoid the wishes of the people. His statements were made as if he had autocratic authority over the situation. It wasn’t until he had been firmly reminded that the board functions at the behest of the people that the wise decision to move the meeting to a larger space was considered and executed. The rest of the board presented a generally professional demeanor throughout but Mr. Tryon turned an opportunity to demonstrate the cooperative nature of board into a confirmation of something less than a full concern for the education of our kids and preservation of our fine school system. I’m sure we were all at the same meeting.
Kelly Sedivy
11:56 am on Sunday, July 1, 2012
Great comments, Jim, Tom, and Matt.
For those of you who want to directly contact the Board members, here are their emails:
tryond@bbhcsd.org
jantzenm@bbhcsd.org
mackk@bbhcsd.org
dosenm@bbhcsd.org
zielgerm@bbhcsd.org
Tom Johnson
12:12 pm on Sunday, July 1, 2012
I agree with Jim, for those residents who have not attended a board meeting, I urge you to do so. The arrogance of the president is overwhelming. I've never witnessed more of a narcissistic personality in a public format before. It's embarrassing that this individual represents our young minds and future leaders I can assure you he is not setting any examples for our children. He is putting his personal and politic views before our community. I'm a parent of 2 children in our district. I've supported the schools before they were school age and now near ending their career in the district. I will support the schools and the teachers but the NEW board members are all inexperienced and lack educational foundations.
Kelly Sedivy
5:20 pm on Monday, July 2, 2012
Email correction: zieglerm@bbhcsd.org
Kelly Sedivy
12:24 pm on Sunday, July 1, 2012
To those that say our teachers are “overpaid” because other “Excellent” districts across the state pay their teachers significantly less. This is trying to pass this off as an Apples-to-Apples comparison when it really is an Apples-to-Oranges comparison. The person never acknowledged or tried to compensate for market value and cost of living factors. District comparisons across the state are fair only when what is being compared is standardized. (i.e. ACT scores, PSI rankings, expense costs as a percentage of overall expenses). The reality is that Cuyahoga County, as a whole, is the highest paying county in the state. When BBHCSD competes for resources, we’re competing against Orange City SD, Beachwood City SD, Solon City SD, Westlake City SD, not Tri-Valley Local in Muskingum County, or Lincolnview Local in Van Wert County, or Hicksville Exempted in Defiance County. The salary structure in BBHCSD has enabled the district to put the best and the brightest talent in the classroom. Personally, I find it comforting to know that the teacher teaching my child came out of college with academic accolades and not the “C” student who bumped along. “Excellence” is not free.
Sue R.
12:50 pm on Sunday, July 1, 2012
You're right--excellence IS NOT FREE!! But if we don't have any more money, where in Heaven's name are they supposed to pull it out of. You can keep repeating these things over and over. The fact is the levies haven't passed, money will run out in 18 months, the state cut approx. $4 million from the budget, we can't spend what we don't have, and for the first time a board is trying to keep within our budget and not just say we can pay for it with a new levy! What should we do instead? More layoffs, turn off the electricity, no bussing (which saves next to nothing)? What do YOU PEOPLE suggest??!!!
Bob
12:50 pm on Sunday, July 1, 2012
Until the State of Ohio comes up with a plan to fund the schools in a way that is CONSTITUTIONAL, these problems will continue for every school district. What are the reasons why the State has not come up with a plan in the past 10-15+ yrs? Something drastic needs to happen. Here is a potential solution. ALL public teachers in the State should threaten to go on strike this fall - before schools start. This would FORCE the State to do something. Do you really think the State would not react if they knew there was a REAL threat of a statewide teachers strike? The State cannot replace every teacher and would be forced to finally comply with the Ohio Supreme Court and find a way to properly fund the schools. Teachers and their Boards need to band together STATEWIDE against the State. Unless something that drastic happens, this problem will NEVER get solved and we, the taxpayers, will be asked every year to fund a new tax increasing levy that will never go away. I understand that school boards can only do so much with what they have, but in these types of situations where teachers may or may not strike, in the end, the only ones getting hurt are the students.
Tom Tucker
11:10 am on Monday, July 2, 2012
Finally -- someone mentions the ongoing unconstitutional calculation Ohio has been using.
Scott Nolan
1:45 pm on Sunday, July 1, 2012
Mr. Tryon, frankly I was surprised you made a comment on a public forum such as this, but since you did I feel it is within my right as a resident to respond.
To your points:
#1. Anonymous posters. As you can see, I have the courage to identify myself but I can appreciate those who might fear retribution from either the BOE or the Administration for comments they may make and wishing to remain anonymous.
Please continue reading....
Scott Nolan
2:23 pm on Sunday, July 1, 2012
#2. The District will run out of money in less than two years. Three members of the current BOE, including yourself Mr. Tryon, and a former board member who is a friend and supporter of the three of you, have openly and actively campaigned against our levy issues. Let’s be “honest” and “transparent” here, you worked for levy defeats to simply gain leverage AGAINST our teachers. Perhaps if you had worked equally as hard on levy passage, we wouldn’t be in the financial strain we’re in. For this BOE to try and convince residents that your contract proposal is necessary for financial/economic reasons after 3/5ths have campaigned against the very remedy which would have rectified the situation is like the Wizard telling Dorothy to, “Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.” It would be laughable if it wasn’t so down right shameful.
In addition, financial concerns don’t seem to bother this BOE when it comes to accruing legal fees. To date we have already spent far more in legal fees (with no end in sight) on this negotiation process than we did for entire 2010 round of negotiations. (See attached link discussing Pepple and Waggoner’s Strongsville billing: http://wca.ohea.us/Measure_Up/WEA%20press%20release%201_12_12.pdf)..
Scott Nolan
2:24 pm on Sunday, July 1, 2012
#3. Let’s take these points one at a time: At the end of the school year, many of the teachers took all their personal belongings from classrooms for the first time ever, suggesting that they would not be returning because of a strike.: To begin, I’m not really sure why this is relevant because if the BOE is serious about avoiding a strike, teachers would be bringing those items back at the start of the new school year. As you pointed out though, these items ARE their personal belongings. These items are books, games, recordings, visual aids, equipment… costing thousands of dollars that they bought with their own money and did so for only one reason, to make them more effective in the classroom. The real heart of the issue here is, why are the teachers in fear of a strike, and is the BOE complicit in creating those fears? It is equally prudent for the BEA members to prepare for what the BOE’s own actions are telling them. Why would they leave their personal property behind to be used and possibly damaged by scab workers? ..
Scott Nolan
2:24 pm on Sunday, July 1, 2012
It is common practice for teachers to take home manuals and study aides in order to rework, refine or continuously improve lesson plans and teaching methods. (Yes, in spite of the modern myth, teachers do work in the summer) This practice is particularly important for teachers who are changing grade levels and have a completely new curriculum they need to prepare for. Yet this year the Administration sent out mandates for the first time to all teachers that these materials were to remain in the classroom..
Scott Nolan
2:25 pm on Sunday, July 1, 2012
‘The Union's crisis manager, whom I personally respect, stated that they may be "forced" to strike’: This implies that the crisis manager believes the BOE, either through action or inaction, is contributing to an environment ripe for strike. I will be asking a series of questions which may give reason to why the union members feel the way they do. Hopefully, in an effort to be “transparent,” you will answer them honestly.
Scott Nolan
2:25 pm on Sunday, July 1, 2012
Why exactly did the BOE terminate the Squires Sanders law firm in favor of Pepple and Waggoner, especially when it is costing the district and its taxpayers significantly more total actual dollars in this time of “financial need?” Under S/S, the teachers conceded a 2 year pay freeze, increased healthcare contributions, and extended the in-school work day without additional compensation. Is the change because P/W has a reputation for being union busters?.
Scott Nolan
2:26 pm on Sunday, July 1, 2012
Why exactly did the BOE remove Mr. Prebles from the Administrators negotiating team this year? The superintendents have participated in contract negotiations since collective bargaining began, yet this BOE felt it necessary remove him. Why? Is it because the BOE felt that since Mr. Prebles works so closely with his teachers he would have inconvenient concerns and sympathies?.
Scott Nolan
2:26 pm on Sunday, July 1, 2012
Why hasn’t this BOE at least been willing to publicly state that, financial concerns aside, our teacher salaries and expense ratios are in line with the other districts in Cuyahoga County? Although we have the fourth highest average teacher salary in the county, we also have the fourth highest student achievement test scores as reported in the latest ODE report. Sounds pretty balanced to me. In fact, since our teachers are in the top 3 for large class sizes, our per student cost to the average teacher salary puts BBHCSD in the middle to bottom half of the county. Unfortunately, this BOE’s silence continues to imply that “our teachers make too much money.” The BOE is looking to fund our district on the backs of the teachers, even though all districts in Ohio are facing similar financial forecasts..
Scott Nolan
2:26 pm on Sunday, July 1, 2012
When exactly did the BOE come to an agreement, understanding, commitment (please don’t split hairs here) with Huffmaster? Please be specific with dates and dollars that may have been exchanged. The timing of an “understanding” between the BOE and Huffmasters will go a long way in determining how seriously the BOE has taken negotiations. If the BOE made a commitment to them early in the negotiation process it would certainly question the desire of the district to bargain in good faith..
Scott Nolan
2:27 pm on Sunday, July 1, 2012
According to the NLRB, there is nothing that states impasse must be declared in order for mediation to be requested, yet this BOE felt it was necessary to take this impasse action and cancel negotiation sessions. Why?.
Scott Nolan
2:27 pm on Sunday, July 1, 2012
The BOE may raise its hands in innocence claiming, “Of course the Board cannot force the Union to strike or prevent it from striking,” but the reality is that it has taken actions and orchestrated events such that a strike is not only possible but likely. Hardly what one would call acting in “good faith” and working to protect our children’s educations.
I was a student here years ago when BBHCSD had its last strike. I can tell you from personal experience that it is a devastating event that harms everyone involved. Classrooms are chaotic and students are lucky if they are getting even mediocre instruction. Neighbors stop speaking to other neighbors, teachers who cross picket lines become ostracized with their colleagues, friendships will be broken, and cohesion is forever impacted. Substitute teachers who cross the picket lines will have their names circulated with dire consequences for finding future employment..
Scott Nolan
2:28 pm on Sunday, July 1, 2012
My final question isn’t, “Will the Board continue to negotiate in good faith,” but rather, When will it start?
Scott Nolan
BBHCSD Alumni
Parent of 3 BBHCSD Alumni
Husband to BBHCSD Teacher (also an Alumni)
Resident and taxpayer
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Melanie Hauer
9:36 am on Monday, July 2, 2012
I would love for Mr. Nolan's questions to be answered. He makes a lot excellent points as well. I was unaware that Mr. Prebles was removed from the negotiation team. That makes no sense to me. I can think of nobody I'd rather have on that team.
Bill
3:41 pm on Sunday, July 1, 2012
@Charles and Nancy Hanti and like minded>>>Your support of the BBH BOE is certainly your prerogative. I come to the Patch to learn some things about both sides of this important community issue and to that end I wish that your note would have included some information that would serve to substantiate your opinion that the compensation earned by teachers is not sustainable or (and I am not sure why the quotation marks, but I’ll play too) “FAIR”. Further, I do not understand what the “super abundant amount of unemployed qualified teachers” exactly means. I could also use a precise definition of “reasonable compensation” for any particular career.
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Bill
3:41 pm on Sunday, July 1, 2012
First, the compensation package for which teachers have fairly negotiated is indeed sustainable as long as the public values the service enough to pay for it. I can only conclude that the opinion that it is not sustainable has its roots in a value proposition that has been deemed to be an unbalanced equation where value does not equal the benefits less the cost. The normal course for any organization that wishes to succeed is to advance a business strategy that works to balance the equation of a value proposition for its prospective clients with whom the proposition is not fully embraced. I find the BBH school system to be well worth paying for as it has consistently delivered a high percentage of graduated product that garners big numbers in scholarship and moves to the next step of higher education. This record of success lends itself well to the perceived value of the BBH communities. Perception of value adds dollars to the bottom line of any sale. Home values are certainly not excluded. I see the value. I do not understand why others do not and I am baffled beyond any level of understanding why the BBH BOE has not advanced a strategy that will balance the value proposition equation of its product. My perception is that the collective message of the board has been to do the exact opposite, that is that its product is overpriced and not worth the purchase price.
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Bill
3:42 pm on Sunday, July 1, 2012
The traditional value proposition has been replaced by a strategy that delivers a sub-standard product that will fit in the same place. Just because it fits…doesn’t mean it works. You need to think of generic lap top computer batteries that fit but also burst into flames.
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Bill
3:42 pm on Sunday, July 1, 2012
The judgment of “FAIR” is strictly subjective. For me, “FAIR” is the simple notion that you get what you get. There will always be those that have more and those that have less. The previous contract at issue was not executed by its beneficiary’s unilaterally. It is the result of a negotiation. When the negotiation was done, each side got what they got. That’s fair to me. The job of each side in the contract is simply to fulfill it. I would argue that the true definition of fair or reasonable compensation is the amount on which two parties agree. Nobody wants to give back the things they have acquired. I challenge anyone to find that small part of their income (let alone a large portion) or resources that they simple wish to give up because somebody else would like to have it. That sounds like you get what you take. That is not “FAIR” or reasonable in my understanding.
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Bill
3:43 pm on Sunday, July 1, 2012
The market presences of a large number of unemployed teachers would seem to lend itself favorably to a solution to the issue of our unbalanced value proposition equation. I will tell you that it does not. Anyone that has been charged with the job of staffing and managing a group within any organization will tell you that the presence of bodies is not an instant solution. People posses all varying degrees of skill, experience, ability to work independently and in groups as well as multiple other attributes that creates the perfect team of success. While I would not argue that the BBH schools are perfect, I would point you to its rankings, its success in both academic and athletic competitions and the high number of college bound graduates as sure signs of its near perfect status. I believe that this is the direct result of a top level administration that has put together a very well qualified team. You have to have the right people and build a team if you are going to find success. Again, bodies don’t solve problems.
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Bill
3:43 pm on Sunday, July 1, 2012
While schools and businesses are not the same kind of thing, you can look to private industry for some level of comparative proof. Ask anyone in the tek sector or search some news articles on the challenges of filling holes in corporate engineering staffs and you will find the complaint of many candidates that simply don’t have the skill and experience that is truly needed. They can’t find the right people in an environment with an unemployment rate of 8.2%. How is the BOE going to fill 400 holes and still deliver a quality product?
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Bill
3:44 pm on Sunday, July 1, 2012
This all said I would paint myself as blind to reality if I did not acknowledge both the current economic environment and the so called “false economy” from which we emerged in 2008. It would serve us all well today if those that executed the contract that created the current compensation standard could have foreseen the condition that has strangled the school’s tax revenue stream but they did not. If they had, they would have likely been told that their ability to predict this condition was shear madness. The reduced revenue of the system must now be considered by the systems employees. That’s not a prediction. It is now a clear fact.
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Bill
3:44 pm on Sunday, July 1, 2012
So we are where we are. We have product with a cost that finds itself for sale with too many customers who find its value proposition to be unfavorable. In the open market the product (like video rentals and pay phones) could simply go away. It is important to stop comparing this contract negotiation, its product (our kids!), its employees, their compensation package and its funding to private business or any other public service. This is different. This is a school. Its product is the quality education of our kids. The BBH School District will not go away. When this apparently contentious situation is all done and no matter who gets what we will still have the BBH School District. The question of its quality as an institution, employer and community asset is what now hangs in the balance. The current Board and like minded members of the BBH communities should indeed be intimidated by this current contentious situation. The legacy of an institution rests uncomfortably in their hands.
Terri Neff
4:24 pm on Sunday, July 1, 2012
I'll try this again...must not have done it correctly the first time.
As a former teacher AND a former board member, this situation distresses me greatly. I have had the opportunity to be involved in 4+ negotiations as a teacher and then later as a board member; never have I seen such negativity.
We were taught, as board members, to make each decision by asking, "what is best for the kids?" I implore both sides to keep the benefit of the students at the forefront of their decisions.
I may be "mushy," but this situation just breaks my heart.
Terri Neff
Teacher, 1980-1986, and recently re-licensed
BBH BOE 2000-2010
Proud parent of 3 BBHCSD graduates, Classes of '04, '06 and '09
Donald
6:19 am on Tuesday, August 7, 2012
Mrs. Neff your board put us in this mess. I respect your service but lets be honest you made promises that the rest of us had to keep and now the bill has come due. My goodness a gym teacher making over $100,000 a year, that is the box you put us in.
I am sure you are very proud of your children
congrats
Lila Tamulewicz
5:17 pm on Sunday, July 1, 2012
I have read through all of these comments and I believe that there is always 2 sides to every story. However, in this instance, there is a 3rd side. That side is for the students of BBHCSD. I agree with Terri Neff that everyone should be asking themselves, "What is best for the kids?" These kids are the future of our communities and country. We need them to have the best educational opportunities possible. It is the reason the many of us moved to this school district. I cannot believe that this is where we are at right now. Please everyone, get this worked out so that our children can start the school year out right.
Jim Snitil
9:17 am on Monday, July 2, 2012
What other school board has seen an improving voter trend toward passage of a levy only to stop trying? How many other districts in Northeast Ohio were able to pass levies during the last election cycle? Where is our board in using all the tools available to them rather than limiting themselves to the dangerous gamble in trying to pin fiscal responsibility on staff salary reductions alone? Statements from current board members that teacher salaries are too high for "second incomes" show their true intentions. Regardless, a cooling off period for both sides might be in everyone's interest at this point and maybe there is at least one board member willing to think outside the box as things continue to degrade. What if the current contract was extended for another year without change, while the board actively supports a new money levy appropriate in size to avoid the coming storm? Negotiations could continue on non money issues pending the success/failure of the levy. At the moment, the public that voted in this board and has consistently voted no for new money are on the sidelines. Let's get them involved now, not after the board tries to ram a take it or leave it offer to the staff following mediation. We've seen what happens when the board campaigns against a levy, let's see what happens when they actively support one. Mr. Dosen says "we wouldn't know how much to ask for" but I think we've now answered that question for him.
Kelly Sedivy
11:39 am on Monday, July 2, 2012
Very well said Jim Snitil. I agree with you and sent an email to all Board members yesterday asking them to come up with a new money $ amount NOW not later. The community knows we are in a crisis situation. The teachers are willing to negotiate but we also need new money and the BOARD NEEDS TO FULLY SUPPORT IT. I truly believe it will pass if we all rally. The trend was improving with each attempt but then they just stopped. Other communities, even Parma, finally passed their levies. BBHHS just quit and now we are in a desperate and sad situation that is only going to hurt our children and the future of our community but it seems there are too many egos in the way to see it. Three of the Board members want to "win" and in my opinion they have their hands over their ears. I have listed the Board member's emails a few comments above if any of you would like to express your opinions directly to them, please do.
Tom Tucker
11:18 am on Monday, July 2, 2012
As a graduate years ago of the BBHHS district, it is rather disappointing to see what's going on.
And it's also as disappointing to see people complaining about teachers, "they make too much"/"they should take pay cuts" and the typical ignorance/stupidity coming from those too damn lazy to educate themselves.
Let me remind you that the BBH District has been considered in high standing and high quality for many, many years (going back decades). People MOVE into a community like B-BH because of the schools. If you refuse to support the district (using pathetic AND HYPOCRITICAL excuses like "I don't have kids in the schools"), then pack up your crap and move to a community that doesn't care about their schools. Like Garfield Hts.
And you're a hypocrite because while you pathetically shoot down every single levy because you don't have kids in the district (for example), if you were selling your house, one of the FIRST THINGS you'd mention would be the quality of the district. THAT makes you a hypocrite.
A school district like B-BH costs money to maintain its' quality. And people (those w/common sense) realize it. People do not get into teaching to get rich (which makes those who think they "make too much" look like (bigger) fools). And quite frankly, if someone has been teaching for 20-30 years, they SHOULD get paid accordingly. After all, you'd expect the same in YOUR career (making you a possibly bigger hypocrite).
Jill Tayfel, Resident and levy supporter
4:20 pm on Monday, July 2, 2012
I applaud Scott Nolan for his intelligent and informed point by point rebuttal to Mr. Tryon's post. In addition, I very much agree with Tom Tucker. Quality teaching personnel (and by quality, I mean educated, experienced, and passionate) come with commensurate salary requirements. Anyone who has done any hiring in any profession knows this to be true. As Mr. Tucker accurately pointed out, there is another factor in this equation that has not been mentioned very frequently and that is the residents of B-BH. My husband and I moved to this district for the schools. I assure you, had we not cared about schools, we could have gotten a much larger home with a lower tax bill in an alternate community. We supported the tax levies years before we had our own children and will support the schools years after our daughters matriculate. You do that when you care about your community, its children, your home values, and resale possibilities. As a community we must come together to support our school district because we all shoulder the responsibility of maintaining the tradition of excellent education. If a levy is required to sustain our district, the BOE must take a leadership role in its passage; that means standing WITH our district personnel and ending this combative posturing.
Ann Marie Williams
8:48 am on Tuesday, July 3, 2012
Thank you Jill, for stating that last piece of the puzzle. The fact that we could have bought a much larger home in a different community hasn't been said yet. So much of how I feel has already been said so I won't belabor those points again. I keep checking back to see if any of our Board Members have chosen to respond again. I do hope they are checking back as well. Our kids deserve the best, I don't want just any teacher that answers an add in a newspaper, I want what I came here for, excellence in education. I hope this makes me sound greedy because I am. Get our kids back to school with what they deserve, it's what you were elected to do.
Average Parent
1:34 pm on Tuesday, July 3, 2012
Excellence in education also has to do with the participation of devoted tax paying, tapped out parents in this community. I work for a Fortune 500 company and recently endured increased out of pocket expenses, no yearly salary increases and fewer resources with less time. I pay over $275 a month for medical insurance and dental with high deductibles, high co-pays and high prescriptions costs; and no guarantee on my retirement purse and pay $150 a month just to park downtown. The law firm in the building cut their employee’s lunch hour to one half hour. It is more work with less people. In the corporate world we do not choices on the cuts they devise to make ends meet. If you grumble then you would be told to find another employer. Times are different, more difficult and complex. Education is more important than ever before but at some point everyone has to suck it up and take a hit where it hurts and be relieved to have a career, maybe even in a great community with parents that are concerned, volunteer and engage in homework assignments. Do not get me wrong, I adore our teachers but some things have to give. Last year I paid over $8,300 in property taxes and the price tag for all-day public school kindergarten just to live in this community. The half-day, at no cost, Kindergarten option is not conducive to a family of 2 fulltime working parents that make as much as one median BBH teacher but we had to suck it up! How bad is it really!?
Kelly Sedivy
4:33 pm on Tuesday, July 3, 2012
. Average parent you need to put a real name down. I understand the expense of working downtown as I once did too. We pay $414 for monthly health, dental, & eye insurance so again I understand. You sound like a young parent (I assume since you have a kindergartener) and probably are not paid as well as a teacher with 15-30 years work experience and a Master degree. Hopefully your pay will increase as you gain work experience as happens in most professions. But wow your property taxes are high... budgeting for increased monthly expenses is always helpful. Things go up, not down... continued below...
Emilia Snitil
5:14 pm on Wednesday, July 4, 2012
Living in our community and teaching in our district, most of the "average parents" that I know do not pay over $8,300 in property taxes. Since I live in Broadivew Hts. and know what my property taxes are, it makes me wonder how you can live in the type of house you do when you and your husband combined are making only what one median BBH teacher earns. Prior to my being a teacher, my family and I moved here 23 years ago because of the schools. I knew that I could have a larger home in another city for the taxes I would be paying, but made the decision to move here for the educational opportunities my children would receive. I have never regretted that decision. If it wasn't for the experienced and caring teachers at BBH, my son wouldn't be a meteorologist, my daughter wouldn't be a teacher, and my youngest son wouldn't be finishing his degree as a mechanical engineer. I attribute their success to the dedicated and challenging teachers they have had all through their careers at Brecksville. Yes, I agree with you that everyone has to 'suck it up" because of the economy, and the teachers and the staff in our district have done so in the past and were willing to continue to do so into the future. Do I have to pay for parking, no, but when I did work downtown prior to teaching, I took the bus so that I wouldn't have to pay $150 a month for parking. More...
lyn
3:42 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012
To those responding to "Average Parent"-
Unless I missed it, I did not see a comment in his/her post that said there was a problem paying for a mortgage. The people who are calling this parent irresponsible for owning a $400,000 home are making too many assumptions. How do you know that they PURCHASED the home for that price? You do not know if they have been financial savvy so they could buy the home, inherited money, owned the home for some time, bought it at auction for a great price, bought a home that need and made extensive improvements, had previously bought and sold other homes and accumulated equity on those... This parent may have just proven the point you are trying to make - be responsible with the dollars you are handed and spend wisely. And, maybe she is expecting the same of the district.
lyn
7:36 am on Tuesday, July 10, 2012
Kelly-
My point in mentioning Woolworths is that I wish people would remember what Brecksville was, a nice town to grow up in, but without the today's attitudes.
You really missed my point of "where you came from". Many people move here to "move up" and when they do, they forget they lived in different surroundings and ACT entitled and superior. On that, you got the point through your response - as well as revealing those feeling in asking about how I like living in Strongsville. I get how you feel about people outside of Brecksville. I guess I also have a bit of "snobbery" in me as well - reverse snobbery towards some transplants who have changed a nice, friendly town.
lyn
12:21 pm on Tuesday, July 10, 2012
Kelly-
As I'm just paying my real estate taxes for my home that you so look down on over here in Strongsville, I remembered your comment of wanting to pay more real estate taxes just so you can live in Brecksville.
Well, here's some facts from the Cuyahoga County Treasurer's site: tax rates -
2.09% Broadview Hts.
2.14% Brecksville
2.15% Strongsville
Doesn't really prove anything, other than you should check your facts before commenting, especially when you are trying to put another person down.
Kelly Sedivy
4:34 pm on Tuesday, July 3, 2012
Brecksville-Broadview Hts. taxes are higher because we live in a safe community with great schools and services. It is all where you put your value. My son just graduated from BBHHS. He received an outstanding academic scholarship from the University of Dayton - way more than expected. This four year scholarship will significantly decrease the cost of his college education. Sometimes you have to make a choice, less disposable income in a higher tax community with great schools; a smaller house with lower taxes in the same community (so you have more disposable income); or a larger/same house in a lower tax community with fair/average schools. My son received a quality education K thru 12 in the district. I hope your children get the same experience. His experience at BBHHS in the past four years has really prepared him for his next step and apparently UD and other colleges (where he received scholarships) believe that too. He couldn't have done it without the teachers he had, they were top-notch.
lyn
7:51 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012
Kelly-
You are misquoting "average teacher".
To try and prove your point you say "She also states that "they combined" don't make that much".
She actually wrote "...2 fulltime working parents that make as much as one median BBH teacher".
When you do this kind of thing, it weakens your position.
lyn
8:38 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012
Kelly-
As we do not know how and when "average parent" came to live in her home, we can each make our own assumptions. Mine have been that she wanted a nice home in a nice community, and by carefully watching dollars and working hard as a team with his/her spouse, they make $80,000 to "get by" - which is not hard to do if you try. In my opinion, if you spend wisely, give up HBO, fancy meals out, enjoy your family doing simpler things like enjoying the park, library, community, your church,... rather than blowing money on needless things and stay away from designer clothes,... you can live happy in Brecksville and not feel deprived.
I did not get from her comment that she was struggling or living paycheck to paycheck. What I took away was that she, like many others in the private sector, have been hard hit with increasing expenses that the teachers are not subject to, and she feels that it is only right that they also "feel the pain" of those being asked to cover their costs. Kelly, you may be fortunate to have plenty of extra disposable income. But, it is hard for many taxpayers to justify having to pay for public employees to receive better than they are receiving. Can you understand that she is resentful of having to pay more for her own healthcare, and then on top of that, publicly paid employees want her to also kick in more for their healthcare - which even by comparison is commonly referred to as a "cadillac policy".
lyn
9:05 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012
Lastly, Kelly-
Try closing your eyes and think back...picture Brecksville in 1976.
Remember? It was much different then. There was a Woolworths in the center. Can you imagine any of the town's transplants of today stepping foot in there? Do you recall the perceived greed of the teachers - they did not demand so much for themselves back then in relation to the rest of the community. Can you remember the attitude of so many that think they are better than others?
Remember, many people have been in the community way before 1976 and seen many changes. For some reason there is now an "entitled "atmosphere that has grown that has even reached the teachers and many longtime residents say ENOUGH!
So, before you judge "average parent" so harshly, and even Frank who has some very strong opinions, other people want to continue to live in this community. And even though you may either feel financially superior to them or want to tell them to move because they firmly disagree with the teachers demands, you really need to remember where you came from and what the city was like 35 years ago.
Cathy McKelvey
5:59 pm on Tuesday, July 3, 2012
First of all, thank you, Scott Nolan, Tom Tucker, Kelly Sedivy and everyone else who has contributed to the conversation about our current school dilemma. A couple of things have come about for me since this whole mess began. I have been teaching in this district for sixteen years, and never would I have thought things would come to what is happening today—a school board that concentrates on a “bottom line” business mentality instead of thinking about what is best for the students we (and they) serve—very sad.
Cathy McKelvey
6:00 pm on Tuesday, July 3, 2012
Yes, I have all of my sixteen years of personal belongings at home. It’s chaotic, leaves me with a lot less space to enjoy my home, and is unnerving that I had to leave my classroom this year feeling like I may not be welcomed back. The Board may say that the teachers were sending signals that we were going to strike by clearing our materials out. Quite frankly what was going through my mind was that my Board was not negotiating by the time I left, so I was left hanging with what my future held. With what I have invested (financially, physically and mentally) in building quality lessons that strengthen and develop concepts and understandings for my students, I was not willing to leave these materials behind for someone else to come into the classroom and do what they wanted with them.
Cathy McKelvey
6:00 pm on Tuesday, July 3, 2012
On the flip side, having all of my things at home has allowed me to go through materials and remind myself of what great lessons I have developed and what materials have gone by the wayside and should be purged. Along with this I came across a folder with my name on it. This folder was given to me by Dr. Calevich, as she was principal of Chippewa when I began teaching. She told me to use that folder to keep notes in from students, families, and colleagues that I could go back and look at when things got rough and I needed a reality check on what truly mattered to me in my profession. I have taken a long walk down memory lane these past few days, reading letters from students who still come to see me now, even though they are in high school or have graduated, and from families who appreciated the time and effort I put into reaching their children and helping them to achieve. I have also spent time looking at DVD’s I have put together for my students over the years to remind them of what their third grade experience was like. This is what education and being part of a school district is supposed to be about.
Cathy McKelvey
6:00 pm on Tuesday, July 3, 2012
So, I have purged; I have cried; I have been angry; and yes, I am still in disbelief that negotiations have stalled. But I am now ready to start preparing to change, tweak, and enhance my materials for a new group of third graders coming to me this fall. I have new curriculum for which I will develop lessons, and old curriculum that I can enhance with new best practices. Yes, those of you who still believe teachers have all that time off in the summer. I am working, even though you don’t see me in the classroom! You want me to have a defined eight hour day, members of the school board? The last time I averaged my working hours during the week, it was 10:40/day, and that did not include Saturdays or Sundays. I love what I do. I am an excellent teacher. And I’ve only gotten better over the years that I have invested in my profession, because I CARE! So what price do you put on that bottom line?
Emilia Snitil
5:26 pm on Wednesday, July 4, 2012
Cont'd...Lunch hour, what lunch hour? I have not had lunch all year in the staff lunchroom because I am either working or attending meetings while eating lunch. We also have had staffing cuts, supply reductions requiring teacher out-of-pocket expense, no pay increases, paying higher deducibles and more for our health insurance. All of these things are items that have been implemented prior to this contract. Unfortunately, what was given up yesterday is forgotten today. Please understand, I am not complaining, just stating the facts. I love what I do and am grateful to be teaching in the same district that gave my children such a great start!
Susan Lemmer
11:42 pm on Wednesday, July 4, 2012
I am a resident of Broadview Heights. I am also an employee of the schools and a proud parent of two children that have graduated through the schools. I feel that my children have received an awesome education. My daughter has her teaching degree and my son will be starting his second year at Cleveland State studying for his BBA. If it had not been for dedicated teachers they have had, they would not been where their at today. We moved to this disrict because of the great schools. I would like Cathy McKelvey to know that I actually cried reading her statements. I can't believe that we have gotten to this point. I see what these teachers go through and how their days do not stop at the end of the school day. You have a lot of dedicated teachers and staff that only want the best for your children. I know that times are tough in the economy, but we need to get these problems figured out so that our children do not suffer. I know that both of my children are out of the schools, but if there needs to be a money levy on the ballot, I will support it all the way. I want to see that EVERY CHILD in the school system has the chance to receive the outstanding educational experience that my two children were given.
Melanie Hauer
10:21 am on Thursday, July 5, 2012
I was also close to tears reading Cathy McKelvey's words and would never, ever, vote against a school levy. I grew up in Parma Hts., graduated from Valley Forge and watched levy after levy fail during the years. My nephew attends VF now and it's a far cry from what it was when I graduated in 1991. And by the time I graduated there had already been cuts in curriculum, hitting the arts and sports the hardest. Currently, staff is so reduced that the library isn't even open during all school hours and my nephew, a bright and driven student, was only allowed to register for 5 classes. We need to keep the same from happening here.
Dathan Cole
8:16 am on Thursday, July 5, 2012
I understand that people do not like to pay taxes and therefore vote against property taxes because they can. I have an alternative view. Instead of making property taxes a referendum on your feelings about taxes in general, consider it a referendum on where you want your tax dollars spent. Property taxes are dollars that benefit your community directly, and when itemized, reduce your federal income tax liability. I know that I am much happier to know my tax dollars will be used to support my community's schools, libraries, and city services like police and fire than flowing into the black hole known as the federal budget. I am at a loss to name any examples of federal dollars that provide as much benefit to my community.
Dathan Cole
8:26 am on Thursday, July 5, 2012
The stewardship of our past school boards is reflected in our district's rank of 22nd out of 31 Cuyahoga County districts for average expenditures per pupil, and yet our communities rank in the bottom third in voted and effective property tax rates in the county. We have done a good job of holding the schools accountable for spending, but apparently not as well at making sure our tax dollars directly benefit our communities.
Jean Fuller Crow
12:54 pm on Thursday, July 5, 2012
This is taken from Huffmaster site. This is scary!!! As a teacher in this district for 20 plus years, I cannot believe it has come to this.
Our uniformed strike security officers are predominantly ex-military personnel with extensive experience on the picket line. They undergo specialized training for each deployment. We position our strike security officers in highly visible locations. And using strategically placed video cameras, we thoroughly document picket line behavior to support any restraining orders, injunctions or NLRB hearings related to the strike. These measures, combined with our thorough understanding of picket line behavior and dynamics, allow us to prevent most problems from ever occurring.
lyn
7:57 pm on Thursday, July 5, 2012
What am I missing?
How is this scary?
As it says at the end, "These measures... allow us to prevent most problems from ever occurring." I would think maintaining a peaceful picket line should not be a topic to find fault with.
Matt
7:18 am on Friday, July 6, 2012
Lyn: Seriously? Do you find fault with the fact in some previous strikes that some of these folks were working with criminal records?
lyn
7:33 am on Friday, July 6, 2012
Again, what am I missing? As you say, seriously, I AM being serious and really do wonder what is wrong with hiring people to make sure that any picketing is done in a peaceful manner. I like the idea that it will be monitored. Jean's comment mentioned ex-military personnel, which I do not find a problem in hiring, do you? They need jobs too. And about criminal records, can't really comment without knowing more facts - if true, what kind of crimes, if legal to hire these folks to perform these duties, have these individuals done anything wrong at this job...
Brian
8:59 am on Friday, July 6, 2012
Here is the list of property taxes for all cities in Cuyahoga County (http://tinyurl.com/7cjj34u). Brecksville and Broadview Heights come in at 2.14% and 2.09% respectively. Why do people think the taxes are so high? What am I missing?
Tom Tucker
10:12 am on Friday, July 6, 2012
Everyone thinks their taxes are "too high."
Too many people think they deserve everything for nothing or dirt cheap. THEN, they complain about the quality, lack of it or whatever excuse they conjure up.
(Too many) people are ignorant/clueless as to what makes up their property taxes, too.
A lot of it has to do with your tax base. If you do not have a lot of big business/industry, your property taxes will be higher because YOU are picking up the burden (see cities like Garfield Hts, Hudson & Shaker Hts) as an example.
Then there are other things dealing with the county AND city -- many of those are voted in.
Lenore L.
10:43 am on Sunday, July 8, 2012
These negotiations are a business, plain and simple. In this economy, I have taken a 15% pay cut to keep my company afloat. My staff has not had a raise in 6 years. They pay 25% of their insurance premiums. I have had to let staff go to maintain payroll for others. My home value and taxes have gone up despite the real home value dropping. I have dozens of friends in the same position. I now pay close $750 per varsity sport, per child with no cap. I have had to pay a local learning center over $5,000/year/child for the last 6 years to supplement my children's lacking Brecksville Broadview Heights education (I am told they fall through the cracks - too smart to get more help, not smart enough to get an accelerated/smaller class size). I have given and given more. What have the teachers given in this negotiation? I won't vote for a levy until I see the teachers pay more for insurance premiums and take a cut in pay, just as most in this community has done in this economy.
Tom Tucker
10:03 am on Monday, July 9, 2012
I "love" (laugh at) people like you who think that other people need to take a paycut because YOU have. Plus, when someone asks "what have the teachers given" only shows they don't pay attention.
Plus, comparing your business is apples and oranges.
I don't feel sorry for anyone who has to pay-to-play. That's the way it should be if it means that educational programs, etc. remain.
Donald
6:22 am on Tuesday, August 7, 2012
You are right on the money Lenore I couldn't put it better I intend to vote no until the teachers pay their fair share
Dathan Cole
4:14 pm on Sunday, July 8, 2012
I recommend that everyone read Dan Ariely's "The Upside of Irrationality." I think Chapter 10: "The Long-term Effects of Short-term Emotions -Why We Shouldn't Act on Our Negative Feelings" would be especially beneficial. Dr. Ariely is a behavioral economist at Duke University
Lenore L.
8:29 am on Tuesday, July 10, 2012
Kids today are very computer oriented. I would like to see more math and reading/literature labs that are monitored by aids. These programs are well documented and adjust to the individual child's answers. It moves them through the course objectives. Kids can go to a teacher lecture once or twice a week. Kids can access the teacher for questions during their study hall. The teachers that remain can get what the union is asking for, the others would loose their jobs and move on. The budget could be met. Block scheduling will work with this system quite well. We need to think outside of the box. We need to meet the budget. We need to start allowing kids to be taught to their own needs. Too many parents are having to hire tutors and pay learning centers to make up for the bad teachers in the district (which is more than a few but clearly not all).
Dathan Cole
8:51 am on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
For all of those so sure of their thoughts, convictions, and skills take time to read "The Black Swan" by Nassim Taleb.
Alexandra Flower
11:49 am on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
As a recent graduate of BBHHS (June 2011), I am incredibly disturbed and disappointed by the way the staff, community members, and board members are handling the situation in Brecksville. It's disheartening to see that my peers' educations are being jeopardized because YOU—our mentors, role-models, parents, etc.— can't come together and negotiate. The Brecksville-Broadview Heights City School District is a place where I have been given so many great opportunities and experiences, and it is a shame that my peers may not be given the same because of the stubbornness, selfishness, and pride surrounding these issues. I have never seen so much negativity and immaturity coming from the "leaders" in our community before.
And where are the students in this? The seniors heading off to college that so heavily rely on the opinions, guidance, and advice from their teachers. The freshmen that come into the HS with hardly a clue as to what it will be like. The soccer players, football players, basketball players who want to play sports in college and need every chance they can get to play better. THIS ISSUE RIGHT NOW is affecting the futures of the students, my PEERS, and you all can't set aside your differences and come together and negotiate for the futures of your children? I am truly embarrassed for you.
—Alexandra Flower, '11 graduate
Tom Mulhall
7:44 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
Hey, don't forget golfers and wrestlers.
Alexandra Flower
4:26 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
I will be the first to admit that I am not "knowledgeable enough to propose a real solution." And I agree with your statement "...until someone poses a real solution nothing is going to change." That is exactly my point. I am disappointed by the way our community is dealing with this situation. The arguing, name-calling, throwing figures here and there, defensiveness, negativity.... it's all pointless and immature.
Honestly, I propose we find a middle-man. If both sides are being too stubborn to negotiate, then fine. Find someone that will do it for them. But like I said, I am not knowledgeable enough to propose a real solution. I don't know how feasible that idea really is or what means it would take to make that happen.
I am just here to voice the opinions of many of the students when I say its about time everyone cleaned up their act and handled this professionally. Every day is a day closer to the beginning of the school year, and we're not getting anywhere by yelling at each other about it.
lyn
4:40 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
Alexandra-
Regarding your idea about finding a middle-man, the article does say "the school board announced that it was handing the contract negotiations over to a federal mediator".
And, as you say "Every day is a day closer to the beginning of the school year", it is my guess that this is the reason they are now seeking substitute teachers so that the kids will be able to continue with school should the teachers strike. Seems like a good plan to prepare ahead of time so that the kids would have the best replacements if the teachers will not be there. I think its better to be prepared for the worst scenario, one I would hope neither side would want.
Marie
1:02 am on Thursday, July 12, 2012
As a graduate of BBHHS, and a teacher, I am appalled at what the BOE is doing. To be honest, the entire reason I chose to become a teacher falls on the shoulders of some of the incredible teachers I had while at the high school. I know first hand the time and effort they dedicated to helping me succeed when I struggled. Ms. Crow, you are the main reason I chose to become a teacher. You put in so much time trying to help me both before and after school, and I cannot thank you enough for that. Furthermore, it was examples such as this, that led to my current beliefs in teaching. I constantly put my students before myself, not because I'm hoping that I'll get a pat on the back, but rather because I want my students to be successful and I want them to feel accomplished. I work in an urban district, where families often times live well below the poverty line. Some of my students are homeless. Yet the school is consistently supported by the community. I would urge those residents of Brecksville (and yes I am a resident here) to please support the teachers, and support the educational system that has long made this community what it is. I understand that tempers flare, that each of us has our own personal motives, emotions, etc., to contend with. However, the reality is that this is not about a simple pay cut, or taxes or anything of that nature. It is about what seems to be a lack of willingness by the BOE to negotiate, to give credit where it is due.
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Marie
1:07 am on Thursday, July 12, 2012
I would urge the community to attend any meetings they can, and I would urge everyone to look at this from an objective standpoint. Stop with the attacks on teachers, on staff, etc., and start looking at what this truly means for the community at hand. It is sad to see that Mr. Tryon does not seems to be as transparent as he claims, it is sad to see that the issue is being skewed, and that we are pitting one side against another when the reality is that both sides should be working together, both sides should be WILLING to negotiate, instead of trying to strong arm a specific idea or point. I truly hope this issue gets resolved. And to all of the teachers in the BBHCSD, I would like to thank you for all that you have done for me, and countless other students over the years. You may not always realize just how positively you are affecting our lives, but you are. I owe so much to all of you for your hard work and dedication.
Donald
6:30 pm on Monday, August 6, 2012
Marie
Stop with the community stuff our teachers refuse to pay their fair share that simple. Obama keeps saying it "Pay your fair share" well time for the teachers to pay their fair share right
Kathryn
6:37 pm on Monday, August 6, 2012
I have had good experience with teachers Donald. You should come to some meetings and meet them. You might see how good they are if you talk to them. Maybe you can convince them to give some more back and you will feel good to vote for a levy. I think it does help the community. I have neighbors that have been angry with me and I will not have them over for coffee anymore.
Donald
4:00 pm on Tuesday, August 7, 2012
K
everybody wants what is best for the community and the kids....but where does this end... how can a P/E teacher make $100,000 and threaten to strike? What about our seniors, those on fixed income... we created a monster... Our teachers just got a 10% pay raise and they want more....They refuse to pay more for health care until 2015.... What about the teachers in Private School they make nothing in comparison to our teachers... and they pump out great students. Graduates from St. Ignatius can go any college they want.....Two of my neighbors lost their homes last week with in three days of each other both residents lost their jobs. Our teachers want a pay raise of they will strike? I am sorry I hate to see a neighbor with kids lose their home it broke my heart
Donald
6:50 pm on Monday, August 6, 2012
K don't lose your friends have them over for coffeee and take the high road. I do speak to teachers most tell me the party line. Some tell me they are afraid to speak up. Our community will do just fine it is time to purge the dead wood. Simple fact pay your fair share nothing more nothing less
Meredith
7:17 pm on Monday, August 6, 2012
Seriously, Donald? I am a teacher that is sick of taking it up the wazoo for community members that refuse to realize the value of a good education. I am making $3,000 less this year than I did last year, and I am paying more for insurance. Please, until you walk a mile in a teacher's shoes, don't pretend to know what sacrafices we have gone through. We have families to feed, cars to pay off, and children to put through college. Get off your high horse.
Meredith
8:08 pm on Monday, August 6, 2012
Oh my gosh Donald - not even worth debating. Really, it isn't even debating. Good luck finding someone that will talk to you with an attitude like that. You own the stable? Wow....Donald needs removed.
Meredith
9:40 pm on Monday, August 6, 2012
Donald - learn the art of debate. Insulting someone that has devoted their lives to helping children makes you look like a bully. When you grow up, let me know. Until then...adios.
Donald
3:50 pm on Tuesday, August 7, 2012
Ann,
I thnk you are a latent disciple of Frank....my goodness Ann do you dream about Frank....not good.... I am not Frank but I am starting to dig the guy. Rant Ann read some of the comments from our fine teachers attacking the children of our school board. How pathetic is that? Further Ann don't try to intimidate our residents when it comes to voting.
Lastly Ann you never mention your girl Mrs Mack..... only Mr Tyron and Mr Dosen? Why is that Ann? She's your girl isn't she of course she is. How stupid do you think we are... my oh my... I would hate to have her in my fox hole...
Thank you Ann I like my name but growing up Donald Duck was what we watched it was crazy going to school sometimes... but I learned to like it....