Biden Killed it what in the world don't hear from the guy for like ever and then he comes out and just destroys it like obama should have done to Romney call him out laugh at his bullshit take control.

Ryan sounded very green especially on foreign policy.

what was with the crazy man laugh

You can tell Vice President Biden won, the Fox News channel is complaining about the moderator.

Biden was pointing out the ridiculous logic in the Romney/ Ryan policy. I would have laughed if I had to sit there and listen to Ryan's pie in the sky logic.

Did biden ever mention Obamas name during the whole debate

Biden's experience was the difference !!

"Who won?" Are you KIDDING???? Biden mopped the floor with that little jerk.

Biden has been at it a lot longer than Ryan. Obama should take a lesson from this.

I felt sorry for Ryan at times. He knew he was loosing !!

How else to combat the Romney/Ryan deception. Ryan literally sat there and explained there new Medicare policy. Now the vouchers are going to cover 100% of a seniors Medicare costs. Like Biden pointed out, how does that differ from the current Medicare plan. How does THAT save Medicare.

I thought Biden looked very sarcastic and unprofessional to the point that my vote has changed. Obama was terrible last week and I was shocked at Biden. At points in the debate Biden was not able to maintain his cool and even raised his voice. In addition, I found him referring to his opponent as "friend" as rude and again unprofessional.

What a substantive contribution Kim L.

Okay Joe, we see you did an extra great job on the dentures for the debate. But really, you looked like a smiling half-wit. So inappropriate during such a serious debate. But hey, guess that is all you have. Smile and pretend nothing is the matter. Excellent job Paul Ryan! Kept your cool and were professional throughout. ROMNEY-RYAN RULE!!!

Jack Kennedy lost.

Do you actually have any policy from tonight's debate that would like to talk about Kim L.?

C'mon guys, enough of this disrespectful stuff. This was the bare knuckled debate I've been waiting for.

Politics in America is vaguely abstractive, nothing is truth. We are at a point that requires - when a politician makes any statement, their source should run on a trailer at the bottom of the television screen, otherwise it has no credibility. - Lafrazio

I can't believe it was okay for Romney to interrupt at last weeks debate but Biden does it tonight and he is rude? Biden clearly wiped the floor with Ryan.

I'm pleased with the debate overall. I liked the personal questions that came up tonight. I am interested to see how Obama will handle himself as more and more information is released on the event that occurred in Libya. I did a fact check and Ryan was correct; Obama misses 40% of his scheduled meetings on foreign policy and there was requests for aid from the ambassador that was murdered. I am not okay with that. Not at all.

With respect to both Iran and Syria, when Ryan was asked how he would handle those two situations, he answered by telling us what he wouldn't do. He was a deer in the headlights.

I'll tell you giving additional tax cuts to millionaire's is no laughing matter.

Darla- I agree romney interrupted at times, but Biden was sarcastic and rude. There is a difference. Never once did i notice Romney laugh or say childish come backs. I'm disappointed as a democrat and am not deciding to vote on party basis but on performance for this election. I say that because me life is harder now than it was 4 years ago. I don't want a bully and unprofessional leader. I have lost confidence in the party. Romney and Ryan you have my vote!

Jen your definition of rude and sarcastic is far different from mine. Referring to people who have lost their jobs as a result of the 2008 Wall Street fraud as takers is my definition of rude and sarcastic.

You know Kim L., not a single one of your posts contained an ounce of substance. I'm going to hit the sack. You have added nothing to the conversation of tonight's debate. Toodles.

LOL... "Biden is rude, because he WON". That seems to be the Repug whine right now, doesn't it?

Biden was very disrespectful. Biden laughing with the serious state our country is in. Ryan clear winner BTW-Cnn and Msnbc polls say Ryan won as well! Keep drinking the kool-aid people. Are you better off than 4 years ago? How much is gas costing you now a days. How much groceries costing you?

What was the elevation above sea level for this debate? Or can we not use that excuse too?

If you don't recognize rude then I feel sorry for you. And talk about whining, after Romney clearly won his debate, all the naysayers could blert out was "He lied"

Biden won the debate for the following reasons.

As always, Democrats will defend Medicare and Social Security. We have had Social Security for 77 years and Medicare for 47 and every election Republicans go after it and each election they yell it will go broke. Bush went after it his second term and wanted to put it into the stock market. When the market crashed, how great would that have been!

Biden made a strong point for more tax breaks to the rich rather than the middle class as well as bringing up the Grover Norquist pledge.

Ryan could not commit to Afghanistan troop withdrawal and hedged on that. He also didn’t seem to know Afghanistan troops were replacing US troops when he claimed we had less troops doing what more had done.

On abortion, Biden nailed it. It does not matter what your personal beliefs are. This is a country of all people and all religions. You can not pose laws on others based on your beliefs. Personal religious beliefs do not belong as government policy.

Ryan complained about the stimulus and then asked for funds himself was a good one in Joe’s corner.

Asked what cuts Ryan was talking about, again he had no answer.

Ryan did well but come up short on facts and idea’s. I don't think Biden was rude. He called Ryan "my friend" numerous times. But I think he thought some of Ryan's idea’s are laughable......and they are. Yelling Liar, Liar Pants on Fire would have been rude.

That was embarrassing... my dogs have better manners!

Biden was SOOOOOO disrespectful - Ryan couldn't get more than a few words out and Joey was interrupting or making faces. VERY annoying - or was that part of his strategy? I just wanted to yell "Shut the ---- up!" (at Biden, of course). Thanks, Joey - you just blew it for the blue team!

Anyone remember how the "colors" of the political parties used to be reversed. After Reagan tied the red color of the democratic party to the soviet communists, the media changed the colors the next national election. Just a thought

Joe Biden was the better debater than Ryan. Biden had both passion and the command of the facts to back it up! He showed how out of the mainstream the Romney-Ryan ticket is and are against the interests of women, minorities and gays!
Biden and our great President will win this election because the American middle class knows which side the President is on and it showed again tonight!!!

All of you are missing the point. Medicare and Social Security are broken. Romney and Ryan will make the tough choices to fix it. Neither of these programs were meant to be the primary support or retirement plan. People chose to spend to much and not save properly for retirement. Obama clearly does not listen to the American people. Obamacare was opposed by the majority of Americans but he jammed it down our throats!! The Democratics answer to everything is more tax on the rich. How about a penalty for anyone on welfare that has another child while still on welfare or cutting welfare for those whose test positive for drugs. Does it make sense to penalize the people who are creating jobs and wealth or those who are sucking the life out of this Country by sucking the resources and contributing nothing. If you are capable but not willing to work then you should not get the assistance you are receiving today.

Biden was in attack mode. They have been backed into a corner, and they know it.
They have no positive record to run on, so running down the other party is all they have left to do. Middle America has been, and will always be the backbone of this country. But how many middle Americans create jobs?
The wealthiest Americans own the businesses, and meet the pay rolls of middle income people.

I will not be voting for either of the 2 parties. However Biden's smirk showed the arrogance of this man. And since most of what he says is meaningless, he has no reason to be arrogant. God Save the Republic !

It's finally reached the point of critical mass for me......I just don't care about this any more......Just make it all go away. Someone will win, the other lose, and all I can hope for now is that it won't matter to me then, either

Two comments.
First Won't we ALL be glad when this is all over?
Two. Its pretty hard to say that "the old guy" won, you don't have to look any further than the results of this poll.

Here in Ohio we care about where the jobs are, and they haven't come back with this president. Let's look at the energy policy of this president: Why are our gas prices so high? Why no Keystone Pipeline? Why is the cost of coal mining permits closing mines? Why no drilling in the Gulf? Why send our rigs to Brazil? Let's look at leadership: Why skip to Las Vegas, sit with the women on the View, sit with David Letterman, attend fundraisers with Beyonce the day we find out our ambassador was killed in Benghazi? Why does this president not like to work? We hired him to get this country back and all he does is play golf and attend fundraisers. Why?

Watching the VP debate, Biden definitely won. Ryan looked robotic, rehearsed, and disconnected from the words he spoke. He gave very few facts, and I thought he was going to break down and cry on a few occasions. He used his water glass as a crutch, reaching for it at least 15 times.

Romney-Ryan are definitely most concerned about the 1 percent – not the 99 percent. And, they do nothing but divide and talk down the country with their hateful “47 percent” and “30 percent” comments. Disgusting!

WATCH OUT OHIO WOMEN!

As proved at the debates, if Romney-Ryan win, you will face a severely conservative Supreme Court, no abortion, no Obamacare and fewer and more expensive healthcare options for your family, and Medicare will go bankrupt by 2016.

Is that what you want?

The bottom line is Joe Biden looked downright foolish last night.

Who do you think won the vice presidential debate?
Joe Biden
54 (36%)
Paul Ryan
91 (62%)

Ryan won...he told the truth and smiling and jeering from Biden doesn't change that

Why is everyone so concerned who won this debate? How about the American people?
Four years ago gas was $1.78 a gallon. We won that one. Now it's up to over $4.00 a gallon in some areas. (oops, I mean, I guess opec won)
And the rich? How about the self-made, successful buisness people like Bill Gates, and many others? Do we take away incentive for American people to strive to do better, or do we become critical of them because they were successful?
I guess that's one way to keep Mexicans and others from coming here.
If we continue to put businesses at disadvantage, there will be no jobs here for them to come to. We may have to go to Mexico or China to find jobs.
Vote for whom ever you wish. That's our free choice.
People say "we don't know what Romney/Ryan are going to do."
That makes the race even, because we know what Obama/Biden have done.
They were going to fix the situation. Creat jobs, reduce the national debt, develope a balanced budget, They haven't done it in four years.
So they want four more years to "not do it again"

It is very concerning that a lot of Americans don't take the extra time to become educated on all of the problems that face our nation. The attitude of... Oh, well, if its on tv or its in writing then it must be true. Our country is in a far worse state than it was 4 years ago! Wasn't Obama making all if the same promises 4 yrs ago that he is today, and what do we have to show for it?.. A higher unemployment rate and a greater national debt. How is that helping the middle class?! I fear living in a country run by our current administration with adults that have been made to feel that they are entitled to everything and our kids expecting trophies in competitive sports just for participation.

Biden won on substance hands down.

Gasoline prices are relatively inexpensive and outside of government control.

Ed, the shift Ryan showed on Medicare last night was stunning. Now he's saying that the voucher will cover 100% of a seniors health care costs. Like Biden pointed out, that's the same Medicare plan we have right now. That doesn't save the program money.

The first topic, Benghazi, did not go well for Biden - and then he rambled on to other things right off.
But then the rest of the first hour, I don't think, other than Biden being annoying and Ryan seeming stiff or nervous, either one could be called the winner.
The last half hour I think went to Ryan - he seemed to find his stride and Biden lost it.
But overall, each party could claim a win or a tie, I think.
But, Biden's mannerisms were not impressive - though some want to call it his passion.

RJ and Ed Fisher - Please don't say you won't vote for either party. That is what
Obama's people are counting on. All this makes me crazy too, but a couple years ago I decided to stop sitting there and yelling back at the television set and got involved in local politics, campaigning for good people like our State Rep, Marlene Anielski and Gov. Kasich who is starting to turn Ohio around. I have gotten to know many of the judicial candidates personally. Hearing people speak directly to you, either one on one or at local venues really gives you information and an up close
vibe of who is telling the truth. And no one will be more of an advocate for all of us in Ohio than Josh Mandel -- the liberal smear campaign against him is disgusting.

Biden Wins Debate!

CBS News: http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50132981n

Politico: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1012/82323.html

Reuters: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/12/us-usa-campaign-debate-analysis-idUSBRE89B09420121012

The Week: http://theweek.com/article/index/234731/the-vice-presidential-debate-joe-biden-comes-out-swinging-wins-raves

Vanity Fair: http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/purdum/2012/10/joe-biden-wins-vice-presidential-debate

Globe and Mail: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/commentary/biden-wins-on-points-ryan-survives-with-honour-reputation-intact/article4608132/?cmpid=rss1

Slate: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2012/10/vp_debate_joe_biden_tried_to_re_energize_democrats_with_his_attacks_digs.html

MSNBC: http://video.msnbc.msn.com/msnbc/49383187/#49383187

P.S. - "Lyin Paul Ryan" lived up to his nickname! He must feel proud today!

Bottomline --

Based on the debates, if you want Medicare to continue, and the rich to pay their fair share in taxes, vote Obama-Biden.

If you want less healthcare, and more out-of-pocket costs for it, vote Romney-Ryan.

They are the divisive party of the "1 percent," the "47 percent victims" and the "30 percent takers", based on their own hateful comments. DISGUSTING!

WOW!
We should all feel so honored by these out of state people posting on here.
I guess its a good thing, though, as others have convinced me. We do need this continued bombardment of info to influence us because our state is so important in this election.

Hey Joe, I came on the patch last night after the debate. All both sides wanted to talk about was style. I couldn't engage anyone to discuss the substance we just spent 90 minutes listening to. It was as if the people last night had just finished watching Dancing with the Stars. I went to bed depressed about this country's prospects.

Murphy-
Kind of like that old question, which candidate would you like to have a beer with?
What does that have to do with running the country?

Lyn, when I joined this patch 3 weeks ago, I thought I had finally found a platform to debate serious policy. I've been disappointed. Most of the posts seem to be tit for tat. Obama is a Socialist, Romney is a flip flopper. I can find that kind of stuff out on the street. I thought this would be different.

Lyn, you and a few others represent a bright spot in a gray patch and I thank you for that.

LOL Lyn, that reminded me of my favorite scene in Godfather 2 . Don Corleone said " every time I try to walk away, they keep dragging me back in"

I'm off to lunch Lyn, have a nice day.

Who won depends on what an individual prioritizes in judging a debate. Style points probably put it at a tie, because Ryan's robotic nature certainly is the counter balance to Biden's smirking. But if you are judging it on content and substance, Biden won this easily. Ryan still refused to provide details, even when pressed for them and Biden had Ryan on the ropes several times with things like Ryan's requests for stimulus money. Also, Biden has an amazing wealth of knowledge and facts to draw from off the top of his head on a multitude of issues. And today's fact check of the debate also show Biden to have been more truthful through the debate...

http://factcheck.org/2012/10/veep-debate-violations/

Paul Ryan Lies Most in Debate! CONGRATS, Paul!

Politifact
Ryan, 2 Mostly False; 1 False; 1 Lie of the Year. Total 4 Lies
Biden: 0 False, a few Half-truths (as Ryan also had)

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/oct/11/fact-checking-vice-presidential-debate-between-joe/

FactCheck.org
Ryan wrong on more than 6 claims.
Biden wrong on 3 statements

http://factcheck.org/2012/10/veep-debate-violations/

Paul Ryan continues his LYING STREAK, started at the Republican Convention. Yee-haw! Can't trust them!

Who won depends on what an individual prioritizes in judging a debate. Style points probably put it at a tie, because Ryan's robotic nature certainly is the counter balance to Biden's smirking. But if you are judging it on content and substance, Biden won this easily. Ryan still refused to provide details, even when pressed for them and Biden had Ryan on the ropes several times with things like Ryan's requests for stimulus money. Also, Biden has an amazing wealth of knowledge and facts to draw from off the top of his head on a multitude of issues.

Watts, Couldn't have said it better myself. Four-star review!

And, don't forget, Ryan is a MUCH BETTER liar than Biden.

Can someone out there show me where there is a law either federal, state, religions that says that a women cannot decide for herself what she can and cannot do with her own body when it comes to medical procedures or care. Women shall have the same rights as men when it concerns there private decisions on medical care.
A women should be able to choose her method of birth control, conterceptives, morning after pill, tubes tide and abortion. If these are wrong they will have to anwer to only one person when she dies, what ever religion or non religion she believes in. Men in all these orginizations feel that they have a god given right to control womens lives when it comes to medical decisions. Now there is a group that also wants to decide how and what a women can wear. We now have are own American Taliban and will soon be walking the streets to point out what women are wearing. (note; In Sept. 2012 a group met in D.C. called the (Value's Summit) Literature being handed out at the Values Summit attacks women for being "immodest" and extolled them to "go home and put some clothes on"
One more way to control women.

Dan

Civil Discourse [you will have to look it up] , is reqiured in our society. The left[Biden] has completely abandoned that idea. Doccumented, 84 times , he interupted Ryan----0 Times Ryan interupted Biden. I don`t think Biden won, I think the polls over the next few days will bear that out. Irregardless, even if Biden won the battle----he assuredly lost the war. He showed himself as the "Braying Jackass" that he is. Ryan represents the choice of a significant portion of America. He was not only mocking Ryan, but America as a whole. The Oblamo/Jackass train is running downhill "at speed". Biden didn`t even have sense to apply the brakes.

Just wanted to say bye to Murphy and Phyllis and everyone else I have enjoyed talking to on here.
I raised the white flag to Watts on the other article, http://strongsville.patch.com/articles/local-debate-reaction-dems-say-joe-biden-won-gop-says-paul-ryan-did.
I'm done with this Patch. As I posted there, I've had it with all these attackers.The site is yours.Since all of you outsiders have done a good job of hijacking this areas Patch and trashing the people who had been regulars on here - I'm leaving after all these months of posting.
Any posts will only be for the cities I have an interest in and I will limit those.

Maybe I'll come back after the election when Joseph Robert, Watts, Carolo, Beth Norquist, and any other outsider who has been using this site as a political tool have left. And maybe those people who have jumped on the bandwagon and think its more enjoyable to attack people than to participate in civil discussions will have calmed down and be a bit nicer.

People are concerned because Biden was smarky and grinning after listening to the lies of Romney and Ryan for an entire year? How about being upset because they want to privatize Social Social and get rid of Medicare? How about being upset because Ryan constantly talks about the stimulus but then requested it privately in an email to Biden? How about being upset because we are a couple weeks from elections and Ryan or Romney still will not give details as to what they want to cut? How about them wanting to take a womans right to chose what she does with her own body?

Ryan was clueless on Afghanistan. Had no idea our troops were being replaced with Alghanistan military and would not even commit to a withdrawl in 2014.

The people of the state of Ohio need to know that the republicans are a BIG part of the prescription drug abuse problem we have . Florida is one of the worst states for prescription drug abuse . The republicans in Florida fought for over 7 years against the database . First they claimed privacy issues and when that did not fly, they went on to budget issues . Under severe pressure they passed a watered down version of a database . The doctors are not required to report the controlled substance scripts they write . The drug dealers love this . They can go to 10 doctors a day and get as many scripts as they want . They pay cash and there is no paper trail . This country needs a national prescription drug database , not just state by by state . Just like we have a national drivers license database . In Florida the republicans would only pass the watered down database if the tax payers did not have to pay for it . They figure the cost to be 1 million a year to keep the database on line , so do the math . I dont believe anyone other than the republicans would disagree to pay for it. The money was never the issue anyway . The issue is that the republicans protect the profits the drug companies and doctors make . For this one reason alone I would never vote for a republican . Please vote for Obama in 2012 .

it is not worth the time posting anymore because of all the out of state robo posters ...... shame on you patch

There's supposed to be a separation between church and state. I'm tired of people trying to impose their religious agenda on the rest of us. It's not for the government OR church leaders to decide what a woman does with her body.
That being said, I don't believe the government shouldn't have to pay for my decisions either.