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Why I want to see those tax returns before I cast my vote, Mr. Romney

Further comments on why I believe Mr. Romney should release his tax returns.

It has been noted that there is no law requiring a presidential candidate to release tax returns.  That fact is correct.  However, Mr. Romney's own father set the standard for transparency on this issue when he released 12 years of his own tax returns.  Mr. Romney states that he doesn't want to release his tax returns because he is afraid of negative political attacks.  I don't believe that being afraid of what might be done with the information is a sufficient reason for Mr. Romney not to release his tax returns.  More likely, people will be more angered by the preferential tax treatment that Mr. Romney has received from the current tax code.  Mr. Romney is asking for us to consider him for the presidency of our country.  In such a position, he will be setting tax policy and also signing tax laws. How can we assess his view of the tax code without knowing how he applied the tax code to his own income?

 The argument is made that a person is "smart" to use every tax loophole that is available.  Of couse it's well known that many tax loopholes have been given to specific special interests.  Lobbyists ply our elected officials with money and in return they get preferences that ordinary working people do not get.  There are many tax strategies that push the envelope on legality.  When someone has their money all over the world and uses foreign tax havens, we have an interest, as the voting public, to make sure that we agree with the tax strategies used.  We have a right to know that Mr. Romney, or any presidential candidate, has been loyal to our country in their pursuit of their wealth.  Tax returns will give us that information.

Requesting information from a candidate in order to make an informed vote does not make a person jealous of wealth nor does it imply that wealth is evil.  I am angry though about the 15% "carried interest" loophole that allows millionaires and billionaires to classify their income as investment income rather than ordinary wages.  Also, let me again repeat the question:  How does someone get an IRA worth up to $100 million dollars?  I want an answer to that question.  Doesn't everyone want an answer to that one?

There is that argument out there that 49% of people don't pay taxes.  I believe the statistic is that 49% of people don't pay federal income tax.  Working people pay local, state, Medcare & Social Security taxes.  Even if people don't work they pay sales tax & gas taxes.  It's not fair or correct to make the statement that people on the lower income scale do not pay taxes.  So do we want to increase federal income taxes on the working poor so the wealthy can have more tax cuts?  I don't know, you tell me. 

What I want most out of our government and those who represent us, no matter what political party, is transparency.  I want to know who funds their campaigns and to whom they owe a debt.  I want to know if they've been moral in the way they've conducted themselves in their personal and business lives.  As they make business decisions, have they been loyal to our country and the American people.  That's what's important to me and that's why I, along with prominent people from both political parties, call on Mr. Romney to release his tax returns. 

Ian Jones August 8, 2012 at 11:38 pm
"Maybe we should play Robin Hood - rob from the rich and give to the poor. Or, as we think of it today, redistribute income. Take it out of the hands of the wealthy and spread it around to everyone else. Just have more entitlement programs. Let the government decide who reaps the benefit of another persons efforts."
No one mentioned anything like that. The concern is the large influence a very wealthy person or corporation has on politicians, especially after Citizens United. "And, being wealthy does NOT necessarily mean one is corrupt." Corruption isn't the topic either. Everyone knows that these wealthy people who have a low tax percentage are playing by the rules. Everyone also knows that their limitless donations to Super PACs is legal as well. The concern is that politicians are influenced more so by the wealthiest individuals, therefore creating the laws that are in their favor, such as the current tax code and Citizens United, among other things.
Rose Petsche August 9, 2012 at 01:16 am
There is a tactic being used here called deflection. Keep to the issue. I never said anything about redistribution or corruption. Actually your statement: Maybe we should play Robin Hood - rob from the rich and give to the poor. Or, as we think of it today, redistribute income <-- highlights the reason we can't have a substantive discussion. The issue is the huge disparity between the top 1% and everyone else. Here's a discussion on this issue by Ezra Klein of the Washington Post. http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezraklein/2011/01/a_graph_im_trying_to_understan.html It's an odd environment we face today. Facts don't seem to matter at all.
lyn August 9, 2012 at 01:21 am
Excuse me for restating Rose's comment in a less than favorable manner.
lyn August 9, 2012 at 01:25 am
Again, please excuse me for rephrasing your comments in a less than favorable manner. But, then you claim its a deflection tactic when you don't like how it sounds repeated back to you another way.
Rose Petsche August 9, 2012 at 01:25 am
Here's a few facts about Mr Romney's 1 tax return: 1) he paid an extraordinarily low income tax rate on income of $20 million 2) he has money in foreign tax havens known for hiding income 3) he took a business deduction for his horse of $77,000. This is the horse that was supposed to be used for Mrs. Romney's therapy and also was in the Olympics. 4) He has an IRA worth up to $100 million. I'd like to know a bit more about these things ...and btw, my political identity is clearly noted on Patch.com, for all to see. Also, I reject the notion that a person can't be non-partisan on some issues and have a political opinion on others. We humans not one-dimensional.
lyn August 9, 2012 at 01:40 am
-low tax rate: per tax code
-foreign tax haven: not enough knowledge on this, so can't comment. I could spout off as others have, what is said in the news, but I try to be informed. -deduction for horse - again, need more info. But, I believe some can deduct a swimming pool for health reasons. As she has MS, probably qualifies. -IRA- how many times do I have to educate you on this? You obviously don't know how IRA's can accumulate. So, the fact that I like a few things that Obama has done, including a few in Obamacare - but it was created under his arrogance without input from everyone, it needs redone - that means because I favor Mitt you think any opinion I have is partisan. You are wrong. I pick and choose issues regardless of the party. Independent.
Rose Petsche August 9, 2012 at 02:00 am
low tax rate: maybe per tax code, maybe not...we need more info
foreign tax haven: need more info to assess this deduction for horse was a "business" deduction...not medical - need more info IRA- I don't need education on how an IRA accumulates. What I need is to understand how someone gets $100million + in an account that is tax sheltered. If it's legal everyone should know that kind of thing goes on...I'm not saying it's wrong...but I'd like to know more I don't mind you favoring Mitt...I never said favoring anyone was wrong. I never said there was corruption or that we should redistribute wealth. I just want to see more of his tax returns as do 54% (and growing) of the American people. If he doesn't release them....well the people will judge that.
lyn August 9, 2012 at 02:15 am
IRA's -investments grow, 401k's and the like can rollover into IRA's. With good investment guidance, investments grow.
John McMillan August 9, 2012 at 02:31 am
Rose, I enjoyed your piece, and agree that Mr. Romney should release those records. I think it's outrageous that he has refused to do so, and still wants me to trust him with my vote. It just makes me think he has something to hide! Come clean, and then let me decide.
Oh, and pay no attention to that woman behind the curtain. She just likes to be argumentative, rude and annoying (and always right)! Thanks!
Tim Torrence August 9, 2012 at 03:47 am
Actually the tax deduction on the horse comes from the horse's training for the Olympics. All athletes whether they be human or horse are eligible for these deductions.
John McMillan August 9, 2012 at 04:19 am
It still amazes me how many middle-class, hard-working-yet-financially-strapped, otherwise-sensible Americans are rushing to defend a millionaire who hides God-only-knows-how-much money in countries OTHER THAN the country in which he is running for President...just sayin!!!
Rick Oliver Millward August 9, 2012 at 10:19 pm
Everyone that has ever worked for the federal government knows they require 10 years of background on you to hire and this precedent has been in place since the 60's for presidential campaigns; why should the wealthy be any different?
Rose Petsche August 10, 2012 at 01:11 am
Rick,
Exactly! In fact, ALL people who run for President, Senate or the House of representatives should be required by law to give us the same information that is required of a person who needs senate confirmation Again, I don't believe this is a partisan issue. P.S. uuhhh.. I think we all know the wealthy live by a different set of rules. How else did Wall Street cause a financial meltdown and then get bailed out? Both parties are guilty in this.
Paul August 10, 2012 at 02:33 am
Rose, I disagree with your opinion. Candidates should be REQUIRED to give us their personal tax information? What next? What they do in their bedroom? Whether they spank their children? Your thoughts are exactly why we have a real problem getting the best candidates to run for office because of the witch hunts they would have to endure to get into office. I personally would like a billionaire President since that would prove he was an expert at running a business. Government is just a very large business.
Rose Petsche August 10, 2012 at 02:45 am
I disagree. If it's good enough for those who need senate confirmation, then it's good enough for all who run for higher elected office. That's my opinion. I don't believe that disclosure requirements will stop good people from running for higher office. These are positions of power and it's our right to ask for transparency. Of course, I wasn't asking for their bedroom information or anything like that. I think I specified financial information and I also specified higher office: President, Senate or the House. The trouble is that congress exempts itself from requirements that it imposes on everyone else.
tom m August 10, 2012 at 05:26 am
rose why should romney release any documents, when obama refuses to release a whole laundry list full of documents
Mary August 10, 2012 at 12:28 pm
Because this isn't one team versus the other. It's becuase honesty should be a valued virtue as president. If you're all wound up that Obama didn't release certain documents, you should be mad as hell Romeny is following down the same path. But instead, you defend Romney while pointing the finger at Obama. You're all the same. It's sad. Welcome to America.
Kim L August 10, 2012 at 01:03 pm
well mary, I guess romney is just following the leader, I too would really like to see some of these Obama documents
James Thomas August 10, 2012 at 01:33 pm
Ms. Petsch,
you work on your guy and I'll work on mine. I believe (personal opinion with no need to justify) Romney will be more honest than President Obama in this matter.
James Thomas August 10, 2012 at 01:45 pm
Ms. Petsche,
"The trouble is that congress exempts itself from requirements that it imposes on everyone else." This is a so bipartisan effort in Congress, will you publicly work to end it? I will.
CM PUNK August 10, 2012 at 03:18 pm
This debate is so dumb... we have 8% unemployement and massive debt. If you are happy with that then keep everyone in office if not listen to others views. Raising Tax ratesor lower taxs rate it just not that important do know what is important $U.S. NATIONAL DEBT CLOCK
The Outstanding Public Debt as of 10 Aug 2012 at 03:10:31 PM GMT is: 15,910,306,286,553 WAIT UNTIL INTEREST RATES GO BACK UP AND SEE HOW THIS NUMBER EXPLODES>>>
keith a dewey August 10, 2012 at 03:48 pm
Pat, good comment. I will add that it is because of affirmative action that ignorant whites are asking for transcripts. They didn’t ask for Bush’s. Not even Kerry’s. So why ask for a Black’s? The conservatives again can’t grasp a concept. Affirmative action puts everyone in the starting blocks on the same line. It picks a person up off the track, dusts them off and lets them back into the race. If you can’t keep up you fall behind no matter who you are. I, a WASP, ran affirmative action for a large corporation
keith a dewey August 10, 2012 at 04:15 pm
Dear Paul,
To your comment, this is fun to answer. Taxes are group laws so it is our collective business. Imagine please: it is legal to burn the USA flag. But I would want to know if a presidential candidate did. What you do in the bedroom (which the conservatives want to control) is an individual issue. Individual laws should never be passed. Spanking children is a group issue because of the science proven cause>effect so laws should be passed on these. And your last obtuse statement: the institution of economics can not and should not be run like the institution of government. See my blog on government vs. business. Run government like a business becomes a disaster. ,
Mary August 10, 2012 at 10:07 pm
And you're ok with someone else who can't think for himself and just does as everyone else does? We're not lemmings, or are we?
Rick Oliver Millward August 10, 2012 at 10:22 pm
Ever since President Ronald Regan changed the tax structure to favor the rich and rob everyone else this has been going on ( over 30 years! ) ; retribution demands justice for those of us robbed legally by the tax code and I see that it should be a reversal of these policies now.
Rick Oliver Millward August 10, 2012 at 10:27 pm
Reverse what has been done snce the 60's by giving the top earners what we've received pro-rated by income bracket.
Rick Oliver Millward August 10, 2012 at 10:28 pm
You must follow the law James.
Paul August 10, 2012 at 10:41 pm
Keith, I disagree. If you can name 1 government run program that with the efficiency of the private sector I might be willing to listen. Similar situations in our schools. The economics of schools should be run by a financial professional, not a school board, superintendent, or principal. The should run the educational side and leave the business side to the bean counters.
Paul August 10, 2012 at 10:44 pm
Are you saying you would not vote for a candidate who exercised his civil right to burn a flag? What the government does with our taxes is our right to know. Someone's personal finances are not.
Rose Petsche August 10, 2012 at 10:55 pm
Jon Huntsman Sr. Says He Feels 'Very Badly' Mitt Romney Won't Release Tax Returns
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/10/jon-huntsman-mitt-romney-tax-returns_n_1765592.html Jon Huntsman Sr. urged Mitt Romney on Friday to release more tax returns and said he feels "very badly" that the presumptive Republican presidential nominee "won’t be fair with the American people." This is a non-partisan issue: Huntsman, a supporter of Romney's campaign, made the remarks to Greg Sargent at the Washington Post. He said, "I've supported Mitt all along. I wish him well. But I do think he should release his income taxes."

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